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CBS Sports lists Derek Carr as a 'Tier 4' quarterback in NFL's middle class

Posted on 7/7/23 at 8:32 pm
Posted by hellsu
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Posted on 7/7/23 at 8:32 pm
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The New Orleans Saints brought in veteran quarterback Derek Carr, the move has had mixed reactions from across the league. Will Brinson of CBS Sports gave a nod to Carr towards the league’s middle class.

Brinson created tiers for the NFL quarterbacks and placed every projected starter in one. Those categories were:

Tier 1: The Big Three Tier 2: Could Join Them Next Year Tier 3: Intrigue with Question Marks Tier 4: You Can Win With Them Tier 5: Future Potential ‘Can Win With Them’ Guys Tier 6: No Clue, Man Tier 7: The Rookies
Carr was placed into Tier 4, “You Can Win With Them.” His peers in that list are Jared Goff, Dak Prescott, Geno Smith, Kirk Cousins, Ryan Tannehill and Jimmy Garoppolo. Here’s how CBS Sports explained this tier, including Carr:

The best way to describe these guys? They can get you to the playoffs if everything about them breaks in their favor but you cannot envision a scenario where they take you on a deep playoff run or win you a Super Bowl without a really stout defense/run game combo or the stars simply aligning.
This makes sense for what Carr has been for his entire career, but there’s a reason he wanted to start something new and head to New Orleans. There’s a chance for him to raise his stock and maybe enter a new tier next season with a better group of players around him.

He’s the highest-rated quarterback in the NFC South with Baker Mayfield and Desmond Ridder in Tier 6 (“No Clue, Man”) and Bryce Young obviously in the Tier 7 “The Rookies” group. We’ll soon learn whether this was an accurate assessment of Carr’s abilities in the fall.




Carr has never had an opportunity with the support of a good defense much less a decent defense. I think he now has that opportunity. I think he can be a consistent winner but he'll have to prove it.
Posted by JW6
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Posted on 7/7/23 at 8:38 pm to
Big 3
Borrow mahomes allen I’m guessing?
Posted by LSUAlum2001
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Posted on 7/7/23 at 9:00 pm to
I'll take it.

I bet Drew Brees would have been considered at Tier 3/4 QB if they did this list back in 2006.
Posted by hellsu
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Posted on 7/7/23 at 9:10 pm to
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I bet Drew Brees would have been considered at Tier 3/4 QB if they did this list back in 2006.



Good point
Posted by Neauxla
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Posted on 7/7/23 at 9:56 pm to
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I bet Drew Brees would have been considered at Tier 3/4 QB if they did this list back in 2006.
I didn’t realize Sean Payton was our coach and offensive coordinator this year
Posted by Shiftyplus1
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Posted on 7/7/23 at 9:56 pm to
Carr's 17 game average from the last 3 years:

4,402 yards
66% completion rate
26 TDs
13 TDs

If you look at the Tier 2 guys, you can see his stats are just a step below theirs. But compared to the Tier 3 guys, his stats are right there. In some cases, his numbers are much better. If Daniel Jones is Tier 3, Then so is Carr.
Posted by Mouth
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Posted on 7/7/23 at 11:30 pm to
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I bet Drew Brees would have been considered at Tier 3/4 QB if they did this list back in 2006.



Drew wasn’t a 10 yr vet in 2006.
Posted by josh336
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Posted on 7/8/23 at 6:53 am to
That anyone thinks carr will become anything close to brees is laughable
Posted by VictoryHill
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Posted on 7/8/23 at 8:44 am to
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Drew wasn’t a 10 yr vet in 2006.

Right?

The clowns on this forum will climb mountains and swim oceans to justify their belief that Carr is somehow going to become something he’s never been and never going to be.
Posted by goatmilker
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Posted on 7/8/23 at 9:03 am to
Posted by VictoryHill
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Posted on 7/8/23 at 9:13 am to
- that’s you when you eat your shite sandwich in January and disappear from this forum after dickriding the New Orleans Raiders all off-season.
Posted by hellsu
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Posted on 7/8/23 at 9:44 am to
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Drew wasn’t a 10 yr vet in 2006.


True but he would have been a 6yr. vet.
Carr is a 9 yr. vet. Am I missing your point?
Posted by mdomingue
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Posted on 7/8/23 at 9:47 am to
Here are the tiers from the article for reference


Tier 1: The Big Three
2023: Patrick Mahomes, Joe Burrow, Josh Allen

Tier 2: Could Join Them Next Year
2023: Justin Herbert, Lamar Jackson, Trevor Lawrence, Jalen Hurts

Tier 3: Intrigue with Question Marks
2023: Aaron Rodgers, Matthew Stafford, Tua Tagovailoa, Justin Fields, Daniel Jones, Deshaun Watson, Russell Wilson

Tier 4: You Can Win With Them
2023: Jared Goff, Dak Prescott, Geno Smith, Kirk Cousins, Ryan Tannehill, Derek Carr, Jimmy Garoppolo

Tier 5: Future Potential 'Can Win With Them' Guys
2023: Mac Jones, Kenny Pickett, Brock Purdy (?)

Tier 6: No Clue, Man
2023: Kyler Murray, Sam Howell, Jordan Love, Baker Mayfield, Desmond Ridder

Tier 7: The Rookies
2023: Bryce Young, C.J. Stroud, Anthony Richardson

Tier X: Just in Freaking Case
2023: Tom Brady
Posted by Shiftyplus1
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Posted on 7/8/23 at 10:00 am to
So Cousins is Tier 4, but has made the Pro Bowl in each of the last 2 years? I get that he's not elite, but damn, they went 13-4 last year.
Posted by hellsu
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Posted on 7/8/23 at 10:08 am to
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That anyone thinks carr will become anything close to brees is laughable


I don't think anybody is saying that.
Posted by hellsu
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Posted on 7/8/23 at 10:44 am to
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Here are the tiers from the article for reference


Thanks. I could not get that link to work for me. I've been in wi-fi hell for the last 2 days.
Posted by couv1217
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Posted on 7/8/23 at 11:21 am to
Trent Dilfer won a Super Bowl. He would’ve been considered a tier 5 below
Posted by MrJimBeam
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Posted on 7/8/23 at 11:22 am to
LOLOL at Mac Jones and Kenny Pickett above Kyler Murray

That’s just stupid
Posted by mdomingue
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Posted on 7/8/23 at 12:12 pm to
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LOLOL at Mac Jones and Kenny Pickett above Kyler Murray

That’s just stupid





Here are the explanations of why that happened. A lot of it boils down to insufficient info and changing situations. I feel like Tier 5 is sort of a placeholder tier for guys who will either go up or down going forward.

Kyler Murray has a track record and it is not all good. He has a losing record as a starter. Some of that is certainly not his fault, maybe most of it but it's hard to say.

Tier 5:

quote:

Based on situation and skill level and with some pedigree mixed in (first-round picks get more opportunities than mid- and late-round picks, generally speaking).

Do the Patriots like Mac?? The rumors about Bill Belichick being mad at Jones for seeking outside help with the offense make total sense without making any sense at all. There's no denying his floor, though, and even if Bill O'Brien isn't Josh McDaniels he sure as hell ain't Matt Patricia. Plus the two worked together previously, so we should see a bounce-back if the OL and run game work out. Pickett feels like a possible "take a leap" guy but I'd like to see it before deciding whether he's a Tier 3 or a Tier 4 guy, certainly the Steelers seem like a safe haven for a young quarterback to develop and blossom, there's just that pesky "you're still employing Matt Canada" thing lingering. Purdy's resume isn't long enough to warrant a move up ... and that's assuming he's ready to go in Week 1. If you made a Frankenstein monster out of the Niners' three quarterbacks I'd be OK with them in Tier 3 but an operation like that feels like it might not be legal.




Tier 6

quote:

This is basically a "Good Luck" category but I don't want to dismiss the possibility/upside for some of these guys. Or, to be more frank, I don't have a clue how 2023 will go for them.

Kyler could go anywhere on this list and could also be his own tier because I couldn't possibly begin to guess how MUCH he plays in 2023, much less how WELL he plays this coming season.
Posted by HangmanPage1
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Posted on 7/9/23 at 8:03 am to
How is Justin Fields in Tier 3??
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