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re: Can you envision the Saints being aggressive after Kyler Murray in draft?
Posted on 1/15/19 at 1:50 pm to parrotdr
Posted on 1/15/19 at 1:50 pm to parrotdr
And no, I don't think they would ever be aggressive at chasing Murray.
The idiot NFL commentators at last year's draft all thought the Saints traded up to get Lamar Jackson. No way Payton wants someone without the capability to run his complicated offense. Same with Murray. Just because Mayfield had a great year doesn't mean that every other short talented college QB can do it at the level required (not to mention increased chance of injury).
The idiot NFL commentators at last year's draft all thought the Saints traded up to get Lamar Jackson. No way Payton wants someone without the capability to run his complicated offense. Same with Murray. Just because Mayfield had a great year doesn't mean that every other short talented college QB can do it at the level required (not to mention increased chance of injury).
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Posted on 1/15/19 at 2:01 pm to parrotdr
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The idiot NFL commentators at last year's draft all thought the Saints traded up to get Lamar Jackson. No way Payton wants someone without the capability to run his complicated offense. Same with Murray. Just because Mayfield had a great year doesn't mean that every other short talented college QB can do it at the level required (not to mention increased chance of injury).
There is so much wrong with this post. Murray is not Jackson nor he is Mayfield so neither comparison void. Jackson is not an accurate passer. Murray is. So is Mayfield but Murray is even shorter than Baker. Murray is way more of threat scrambling than Mayfield.
Your biggest miss in your assumptions of the Oklahoma offense. It's a complex vertical passing game & unlike many of these other air raid college offenses, the quarterbacks in that offense actually have presnap reads & can make presnap audibles. So Murray is ahead of the learning curve in that aspect just like Baker was.
Posted on 1/15/19 at 2:03 pm to Chad504boy
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he's go the pocket escapability like nobody in the league as well.
Escaping the pocket in the NFL at 5'9, 185 gets you broken in half. He cannot last running in the NFL. Its really that simple. But, with his size he will have to leave the pocket to be able to make plays. IF he's good enough to make plays escaping the pocket (and that's a big if), you better have a Nick Foles as your back-up, because you will need him.
Posted on 1/15/19 at 2:04 pm to LSUgrad88
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Escaping the pocket in the NFL at 5'9, 185 gets you broken in half.
not buying it. he's quick and twitchy and always two feet away from getting his butt down in a slide.
Posted on 1/15/19 at 2:14 pm to Chad504boy
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he's quick and twitchy
Love to see this in a running back or slot receiver.
Posted on 1/15/19 at 2:18 pm to Saskwatch
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Escaping the pocket in the NFL at 5'9, 185 gets you broken in half. He cannot last running in the NFL.
Tell that to Darren Sproles. It can be done.
Posted on 1/15/19 at 2:21 pm to dcw7g
Just a point of reference, Murray sacked 18 times this year. Baker at Oklahoma is junior yr sacked 26 times.
Posted on 1/15/19 at 2:23 pm to dcw7g
Absolutely the same thing. Running the football knowing you're about to get hit is the exact same thing as running out of the pocket and contorting your body to make a throw and getting hit by a 300 pound lineman. Let me help; running back and quarterback are different positions. Let alone the fact that Darren Sproles is 5'5 or 5'6 and around 190 or 195 and built like a bowling ball. (By the way Sproles has missed more games the last few years than he has played)
This post was edited on 1/15/19 at 2:26 pm
Posted on 1/15/19 at 2:43 pm to LSUgrad88
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Escaping the pocket in the NFL at 5'9, 185 gets you broken in half. He cannot last running in the NFL.
1. Escaping the pocket doesn't equal being a runner all the time. QBs escape the pocket to buy time while still looking downfield.
2. Murray is pocket passer who can run also. He is not just one of those running QBs who runs from the pocket without the ability to still make plays downfield as a passer.
3. If you watched him play, he does a very good of sliding & getting out of bounds to pocket protect himself from taking hits. He knows his limitations.
Am I by no means advocating drafting Kyler Murray especially due to the reasons I listed above about potential issues with drop backs from under center as well as the amount of collateral it would take to move up to get him. I feel he has certain gifts that will allow him to potentially be a really good NFL QB but he will also have limitations that he will have somehow have to overcome.
Posted on 1/15/19 at 3:15 pm to BigBrod81
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Am I by no means advocating drafting Kyler Murray especially due to the reasons I listed above about potential issues with drop backs from under center as well as the amount of collateral it would take to move up to get him. I feel he has certain gifts that will allow him to potentially be a really good NFL QB but he will also have limitations that he will have somehow have to overcome.
And I'm not saying he can't potentially be a decent and maybe even good NFL QB. I just don't think he can be a QB who has to make plays outside of the pocket in the NFL and not get hurt consistently. At 5'9 (or maybe 5'8)he will HAVE to make plays outside the pocket (not necessarily running, but scrambling to buy time) to be successful. I don't see how he can do that and stay healthy.
Posted on 1/15/19 at 3:20 pm to LSUgrad88
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I don't see how he can do that and stay healthy.
Russell Wilson has done this for years already while staying healthy. Pat Mahomes looks to be another going that same route.
This post was edited on 1/15/19 at 3:21 pm
Posted on 1/15/19 at 4:35 pm to BigBrod81
Russell Wilson 5'11, 215; Pat Mahomes 6'3, 230, Kyler Murray, 5'9, 185. Is it that hard!
Posted on 1/15/19 at 5:18 pm to Chad504boy
Nope
Posted on 1/15/19 at 5:50 pm to LSUgrad88
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Is it that hard!
No but apparently it is for you. The comparison with Wilson & Mahomes had nothing to size. It was about the ability to escape the pocket & make throws on the run. How hard is that for you to understand?
Posted on 3/1/19 at 11:03 am to Chad504boy
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Sean Payton giving an honest Kyler Murray eval rn on @nflnetwork
"His film was too good....I like him"
10:55 AM - 1 Mar 2019
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Sean Payton giving an honest Kyler Murray eval rn on @nflnetwork
"His film was too good....I like him"
10:55 AM - 1 Mar 2019
Posted on 3/1/19 at 11:46 am to Chad504boy
That settles it
Trade the farm for a high first and go after him
Trade the farm for a high first and go after him
Posted on 3/1/19 at 11:58 am to Mr. Hangover
There will be five more "HE CAN'T MISS!" prospects next year. We're not spending what little draft capital we have on a QB when we have one more all in season with the GOAT Brees.
I know y'all are just debating for the fun of it, but really, you all have to know there's no chance we go after Murray right?
I know y'all are just debating for the fun of it, but really, you all have to know there's no chance we go after Murray right?
Posted on 3/1/19 at 12:04 pm to Laaz2750
Absolutely
Posted on 3/1/19 at 12:07 pm to Mr. Hangover
Whew 
Posted on 3/1/19 at 2:47 pm to Lsujacket66
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Kid is going mlb if he’s smart
This myth's been busted.
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