re: Attorney for Smith family / Attorney for Hayes l Press Conference Recap

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what threat was the wife? Why didnt he finish her off? She was right fricking there. The dude called and waited for the cops instead. Tell me how the frick that makes sense to you

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If true, she was just in the way of a man who was pissed off at another.

He is a reckless man. Why should he kill her if he is ultimately targeting another..

How hard is that to understand Lester.. He isn't a rational person either. Trying to understand his reasoning just because you don't think that way is silly.

He wasn't out to just kill everyone, but he's still wrong for shooting multiple people, even out of recklessness alone.

He would be in far worse position had he went on to kill more people and even fled.

How can you not understand someone can use poor judgement, but still be arrogant enough to believe they can get away with it. He was obviously pissed at Will.

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You can not shoot someone in the back, even if they have a weapon. Ever. That's state law.


I'm pretty sure that no one ever thought of bombs when that law was passed. Would a guy with a bomb really let you stand there, holding a hand gun, and then turn his back on you? You think a suicide bomber is really that stupid?

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can you point me to this law? Ive read over these laws quite a few times and have never read anything about shooting someone in the back being the determining case in self defense.

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she got hit with stray bullets

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Sounds like the shooter committed a serious crime then

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What if they are arguing and Smith tells him he's getting his gun and leans back into the car? Are you required to wait until he turns to shoot you before you eliminate the threat? I don't know how that would shake out. If you were standing there with nowhere to flee while someone is quickly reaching for a loaded gun, is it unreasonable to fire first?

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I don't believe it's intended for you to ram into someone. Escalate the situation while carrying your gun.. then follow them to their car and shoot another person and him a ridiculous amount of times.

How about this.. How about Smith's side? How he is then not defending himself from some lunatic who is obviously enraged and coming at him (with a gun) How is Smith possibly not going to get his gun to deal with this lunatic.

I think it's pussy to start a fight and pursuing it then when someone else is possibly trying to defend themselves you go off and murder them and try to claim self defense. None of this had to be.

He could have at least tried to walk away, take cover with his gun, ask him that it doesn't resort to that.. and wait for the police to show up. He didn't. He set out to get Will in some fashion.

If we want to play the if games. If he had a fender bender originally he was pissed at and he arrogantly went after Smith and rear ended his car looking to start a fight with whoever had hit him.. then Will gets out and he exchanges words.. he then realizes it's not just some guy he can push around.. so he sticks to heated argument.. then when walks to go get his gun he shoots him down. I know this guy is big himself, but if he didn't know who he was hitting or the type of guy.. perhaps he felt he could just bully them. It's been stated by people who knew him he was a bully. So who knows.

If he was such a stand up guy, why not just follow the guy call the police as you follow you him and give a description of his car and possible license plate. How is this action of taking it all into your own hands over such a minor fender bender (if any contact was made at all)

If anything it sounds like this guy Hayes has anger issues.

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can you point me to this law?

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I can not quote you the specific law, but as I said- I have a friend, who served 12 years for shooting an armed man in the back. Even though the man he shot, was armed and trying to rob him.

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This doesnt jive with what the lawyer said
how so?

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Lawyer said Will was standing outside car when shot. Then Hayes "celebrated" & "taunted" over his dead body on the ground(lol). Yet from the pics, part of Will is slumped in the car, not laid out on the ground.

Shot both people from behind. There was no imminent threat to Hayes and he shot to kill out of anger.

If her testimony is true, Hayes is has no defense for that.

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Don't know. It's becoming more evident they were both talking about getting their guns. I'm not claiming it was self defense. ...all I know is I was not there

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yep. who knows. they both fricked up in some sense. its going to be dependent on the evidence and witness testimony. a few small facts could shift it either way. Its definitely not cut and dry for either side. I also have to lay some blame to smith for his actions preceding the confrontation. simply following the law would have likely saved his life... instead he made a huge mistake and ran.

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I'm just curious how you get from hit and run to self defense. I don't see how that possibly could help a self defense case.

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I think they are somewhat unrelated.

what happened with the potential hit and run looks to have sparked the situation.

then you have a chase and a ramming.

up to this point, nobody has made a threat to the others life.

once they both got out of their vehicles, the situation turned deadly. and until we find out what happened in that 30-45 seconds, everything is still speculation.

and we may never find out. we have a shooter, dead man and the dead mans wife. I hope there is a witness/bystander that can give us answers, regardless of what they are.

Jus really Sounds like all three of them were arguing outside of the vehicle. she was getting in his face he shot her twice to take her down. Then Smith got heated. First shot was to the side of chest which spun him around and then repeatedly shot in the back as he was trying to make it inside of his car to get his gun