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LSUZombie
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A 50 yard, cross body, cross field pass on 4th & 10

I'm still so dumbfounded by this play and how it was allowed to happen. And of course every sports show decided to air the replay like a thousand times, making it more frustrating.

That kind of throw gets picked off probably 99% of the time but of course the Saints have to be the team that allows it.

1. We will hopefully sign 1-2 new corners this offseason. Veterans who have proved they can play in the NFL.

2. Draft another corner. One that can actually see the field over an undrafted rookie free agent.

3. Fire our secondary coach and get someone in who can coach up these players.


Brettesaurus Rex
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re: A 50 yard, cross body, cross field pass on 4th & 10
It's really mind blowing how you allow that to happen.

Just like the blown coverage at the end of the Cleveland game that lost it for us. Just sucks our secondary went to shite so quickly with Greer going down.

It's priority #1 in the offseason for me whether its through FA or draft. We have to get help there.


Chad504boy
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re: A 50 yard, cross body, cross field pass on 4th & 10
You can't really blame White for wanting to contain the reverse lateral 30 yards down the field. It's an important mistake defenses seem to make a lot.


On serious note, i'd really like to know if I should be mad at white more than the safety.
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Brettesaurus Rex
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re: A 50 yard, cross body, cross field pass on 4th & 10
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On serious note, i'd really like to know if I should be mad at white more than the safety.

That's really Vaccaro's spot to defend.


WhoDatNC
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re: A 50 yard, cross body, cross field pass on 4th & 10
I missed the game but saw that highlight last night. It made me sick to my stomache.


Chad504boy
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re: A 50 yard, cross body, cross field pass on 4th & 10
Safety got too cute and followed over too much and lost vision of entire field.


kjayb51
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re: A 50 yard, cross body, cross field pass on 4th & 10
Vacarro ran towards middle of field (usually happens on QB rollouts). For some reason, Kaep was allowed to run all the way to the sideline, stop, take 2 steps forward to launch a 50 yarder. Poor hustle by DLine IMO.


Hoodoo Man
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re: A 50 yard, cross body, cross field pass on 4th & 10
Vaccaro is on his own planet this season.


LooseCannon22282
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re: A 50 yard, cross body, cross field pass on 4th & 10
Vaccaro shouldn't have let the WR get behind him like that.

that is what a safety should never do. He came running up field to help out on some underneath route instead.

we were lucky that another error that he made didn't hurt the team as well. He bailed out to go help Lewis on one play where Boldin dropped a pass. Had Boldin not dropped it, that play would have been a monster gain or even a TD.

once Lewis got banged up yesterday, it was nerve racking to watch. I mean you knew the 49ers weren't going to keep dropping every pass to help us stay in the game.


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Chad504boy
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re: A 50 yard, cross body, cross field pass on 4th & 10
Makes you wonder, Saints make that play with Byrd back there... i think so.


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CM84
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re: A 50 yard, cross body, cross field pass on 4th & 10
It was on vacarro. Either way the first down is being made even if vacarro stays with Crabtree. Davis was open behind the sticks and I doubt white would have been able to close on Davis in time if vacarro stays home.

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3. Fire our secondary coach and get someone in who can coach up these players. 


Dennis allen


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AlaTiger
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re: A 50 yard, cross body, cross field pass on 4th & 10
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You can't really blame White for wanting to contain the reverse lateral 30 yards down the field. It's an important mistake defenses seem to make a lot. On serious note, i'd really like to know if I should be mad at white more than the safety.


I could be wrong here, but I felt that White played it right. He went with the midrange receiver who was cutting over the middle. There was a much greater chance that Kapernick was going to throw to him if he were open. He knew he had safety help.

What was Vaccaro doing? He was in the middle of the field not near anyone with Crabtree running by himself 25 yards away. If he had even gone in his direction he would have intercepted or batted down the ball.

You can blame White, but I think that Vaccarro got lost.


Weekend Warrior79
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re: A 50 yard, cross body, cross field pass on 4th & 10
Obviously we do not know what play was called, but it looks like you are right in that White came up to cover Davis as he leaked out over the middle. But, when he saw the Safety (I didn't see the number, but many are pointing to Vaccaro) he sprinted back to Crabtree.

I'd imagine the Safety should have deep coverage and should have been backing up to Crabtree; however, what was the coverage called that let Davis leak out so deep. Was a LBer suppose to be underneath? Did another DB have coverage on him underneath and let him go upfield? If so, where were they, in a zone defense aren't they suppose to keep getting depth if no one is in front of them, or is that more of a recreational/HS thing?

We only rushed 4 and had 7 people to cover 5.


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Dunk47
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re: A 50 yard, cross body, cross field pass on 4th & 10
I haven't seen the all 22 shot so I don't know. On the replay it looked like the DLineman pulled off thinking Kapernick was going to run out of bounds or he was scared to hit him and get a roughing the passer call. White pulled off Crabtree Vacarro went to the other side of the field, and I don't think Keenan was on the field on that play. It was a breakdown. It shouldn't have happened. Definitely not for 51 yards, but this has been happening to the defense all season. Yes, they have improved pretty significantly, but 4 losses from defensive breakdowns in the last 2 minutes or less is bad news


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The Sad Banana
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re: A 50 yard, cross body, cross field pass on 4th & 10
There's really nothing else you can say except "That's typical Saints 2014 football." It's frustrating.


ShlikStyck
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re: A 50 yard, cross body, cross field pass on 4th & 10
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Poor hustle by DLine IMO.


watch the play. dline stops persuing him...


josh336
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re: A 50 yard, cross body, cross field pass on 4th & 10
Its typical of a rob ryan coached defense


tzimme4
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re: A 50 yard, cross body, cross field pass on 4th & 10
Kaepernick has one of the strongest arms in the NFL


Breesus
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re: A 50 yard, cross body, cross field pass on 4th & 10
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We will hopefully sign 1-2 new corners this offseason. Veterans who have proved they can play in the NFL. 

2. Draft another corner. One that can actually see the field over an undrafted rookie free agent. 

3. Fire our secondary coach and get someone in who can coach up these players. 



I would MUCH MUCH rather:

1. sign some experienced oline

2. Draft some beast rookie olineman

3.fire our oline coach and beg Kromer to come back.


The defense is more than good enough to maintain and manage games.

Brees and Payton put them in situations this year where the defense has to win the game because the offense already threw it away. That's bullshite. It's not the way this team should play, and you dumb fricks refuse to acknowledge or admit it.


Breesus
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re: A 50 yard, cross body, cross field pass on 4th & 10
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Its typical of a rob ryan coached defense



Yup. He coaches at offense heavy franchises that give him a patchwork defense. His defense plays well enough to win, but the offense fricks up one too many times, and he catches all the flack


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