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re: A 50 yard, cross body, cross field pass on 4th & 10

Posted on 11/10/14 at 2:11 pm to
Posted by CSB
Member since May 2014
1202 posts
Posted on 11/10/14 at 2:11 pm to
At the end of the day, you don't win games in the NFL with -2 turnover margin. It just doesn't happen when you spot the other team multiple scores off of turnovers. We were lucky to even be close in this one.
Posted by Breesus
House of the Rising Sun
Member since Jan 2010
66982 posts
Posted on 11/10/14 at 2:11 pm to
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I'm not saying you guys are wrong. But the team had late leads...like, last few minute leads...in four of the five losses.



I'm not saying you're wrong, but

Payton Era good years:

2006 - 11 INTs total
2009 - 11 INTs total
2011 - 14 INTs total
2013 - 12 INTs total

Payton Era bad years:
2007 - 18 INTs
2008 - 17 INTs
2010 - 22 INTs
2012 - 19 INTs
2014 - 10 INTs through 9 games

It is empirical fact that this game lives and dies by Drew Brees's decision making.

If he stops throwing picks, we can win out, and win the superbowl. If he keeps fricking our team every game, we will not win shite. Maybe not even the division.
Posted by The Sad Banana
The gate is narrow.
Member since Jul 2008
89498 posts
Posted on 11/10/14 at 2:13 pm to
Again, at the end of the day, they led four of the five games at the very end and still lost. The offense makes mistakes, but they also are the ones putting the team in the position to win at the end of the game.

They frick up, atone for it, get a lead and then the defense doesn't back them up.
Posted by CSB
Member since May 2014
1202 posts
Posted on 11/10/14 at 2:17 pm to
You don't seem to be getting the point here. None of those games should have even been close to begin with.
Posted by The Sad Banana
The gate is narrow.
Member since Jul 2008
89498 posts
Posted on 11/10/14 at 2:23 pm to
Oh, the point is loud and clear. Those games should not be that close, yet they were. And they were on the verge of winning those games despite the errors. And still, the defense let it go four out of five times...and in spectacular fashion.
Posted by CSB
Member since May 2014
1202 posts
Posted on 11/10/14 at 2:25 pm to
Maybe the D would play better if they weren't on the field for 4 extra series every game.
Posted by htran90
BC
Member since Dec 2012
30137 posts
Posted on 11/10/14 at 2:31 pm to
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Again, at the end of the day, they led four of the five games at the very end and still lost. The offense makes mistakes, but they also are the ones putting the team in the position to win at the end of the game.



they're also the ones spotting the opponents 7-14 points, depending on which game you want to point out.

Look, yes, Brees caused turnovers and brought the team back to get a lead, but the defense held SF to 0 points in the 2nd half before the 50 yarder.

If you want to give Brees credit for bringing the team back, you have to give the defense credit for clamping down on SF to even allow that much.

This is the way I see it when reading some of your posts:

Defense fault for giving up a last minute drive, but its all on Brees that we were back in the game.

0 points allowed before that play, ZERO. Defense may have allowed a single play to give them a shot in OT, but its the offense that put us in that position in the first place.

This season, there's only 2 games that the defense laid eggs and that was vs. Atlanta and vs. Dallas.

The other 7 games, the defense did what they needed to do with what they were given.
This post was edited on 11/10/14 at 2:33 pm
Posted by Breesus
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Member since Jan 2010
66982 posts
Posted on 11/10/14 at 2:37 pm to
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Payton Era good years: 

2006 - 11 INTs total 
2009 - 11 INTs total 
2011 - 14 INTs total 
2013 - 12 INTs total 

Payton Era bad years: 
2007 - 18 INTs 
2008 - 17 INTs 
2010 - 22 INTs 
2012 - 19 INTs 
2014 - 10 INTs through 9 games 

It is empirical fact that this game lives and dies by Drew Brees's decision making. 


Just copy and paste that from now on.
Posted by xBIGxEASYx
New Orleans
Member since Jan 2008
2666 posts
Posted on 11/10/14 at 5:04 pm to
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Poor hustle by DLine IMO.



watch the play. dline stops persuing him...


He was blocked in the back and pushed away from Kaep, toward the sideline. If not blocked in back, he would have been in Kaep's face and ball not even been close to reaching Crabtree.
Posted by Sid in Lakeshore
Member since Oct 2008
41956 posts
Posted on 11/10/14 at 5:34 pm to
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The offense has to score more points to win. Under Payton, the offense has to carry the tea. It is how the team is built, it is how the money is allocated, and it is how we win. This year, the offense is scoring for both teams, and we can't win like that


This. 1,000 time THIS.

For people not to realize this is ridiculous.
Posted by Sid in Lakeshore
Member since Oct 2008
41956 posts
Posted on 11/10/14 at 5:36 pm to
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And still, the defense let it go four out of five times...and in spectacular fashion.


Offense eats up all the cash. Offense has to spot the defense more points. It's really pretty simple.
Posted by Sid in Lakeshore
Member since Oct 2008
41956 posts
Posted on 11/10/14 at 5:39 pm to
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And, I just want to say that more times than not the offense and Drew Brees are the reasons we are winning games. I can't tell you how bubbly my guts and how puckered my booty gets when the defense has to go out there with under 2 minutes and hold a lead. I'd much rather the Saints offense have to come back from down two points with two timeouts and two minutes left.


Offense had 2 chances to win the game this weekend. They were not up to the task once and totally shite the bed the second, absolutely costing us this game.
Posted by htran90
BC
Member since Dec 2012
30137 posts
Posted on 11/10/14 at 5:40 pm to
Offense eats up 68.75mil of the cap
Defense eats up 35.99mil of the cap
STeams eats up 4.665mil of the cap

so yes, Offense is majority of our team, and should be held to a higher standard than the amount of INT and fumbles we've been having.
Posted by Breesus
House of the Rising Sun
Member since Jan 2010
66982 posts
Posted on 11/10/14 at 6:47 pm to
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should be held to a higher standard than the amount of INT and fumbles we've been having.


Case in point:

quote:

Payton Era good years:  

2006 - 11 INTs total  
2009 - 11 INTs total  
2011 - 14 INTs total  
2013 - 12 INTs total  

Payton Era bad years:  
2007 - 18 INTs  
2008 - 17 INTs  
2010 - 22 INTs  
2012 - 19 INTs  
2014 - 10 INTs through 9 games  
Posted by htran90
BC
Member since Dec 2012
30137 posts
Posted on 11/10/14 at 6:53 pm to
Lets just say this, Brees has thrown a pick in 7 games this season. We've gone 2-5 in those 7 games.

Coincidence? I think not.
Posted by Sleazy E
Member since Jan 2014
1768 posts
Posted on 11/10/14 at 7:28 pm to
It's been their m.o. all season. You leave the game on the line with the defense. It's going to be a loss. However, the 49ers offense got dominated. They had one good drive the entire game. Brees caused an early 14 point swing and then periodically shite the bed throughout the game, which is why they won. It's also why they won in 2011 and 2012. Don't turn the ball over and we win, plain and simple.
Posted by Dunk47
Member since Jan 2014
1059 posts
Posted on 11/11/14 at 10:28 am to
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The cornerback position is a train wreck outside of Keenan Allen


Fail

Posted by Scoob
Near Exxon
Member since Jun 2009
20454 posts
Posted on 11/11/14 at 10:35 am to
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Kaepernick has one of the strongest arms in the NFL
This is the correct answer. How many QBs can make that throw? Kaepernick, Cam Newton, anyone else? For almost everyone else, that ball hangs up, and is picked off pretty easily by the safety, without having to backpedal.
Posted by KindaRaw
Member since Jun 2014
3963 posts
Posted on 11/11/14 at 12:17 pm to
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1. We will hopefully sign 1-2 new corners this offseason. Veterans who have proved they can play in the NFL.

Definitely. Besides Lewis there isn't much hope for us in the secondary (excluding safeties here.)

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2. Draft another corner. One that can actually see the field over an undrafted rookie free agent.

Meh... I'd prefer a corner in FA. We never draft good corners. I trust our luck in the FA more than with the draft, which I think we should focus our emphasis on an ILB or OL.

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3. Fire our secondary coach and get someone in who can coach up these players.

I know I'm getting a downvote for this, but Dennis Allen anyone? Our DBs were going after the ball with success when he was with the Saints.
Posted by RileyTime
Gulf Breeze, FL
Member since Oct 2008
6935 posts
Posted on 11/11/14 at 11:32 pm to
If Hicks, or Walker whichever it was, would have hustled on that play he could have easily gotten enough pressure on Kap that he couldn't complete that pass. But he got around his guy and just walked to the sidelines for some idiotic reason that still pisses me off.
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