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re: Zion out tonight (rest)
Posted on 11/18/23 at 9:23 pm to ned nederlander
Posted on 11/18/23 at 9:23 pm to ned nederlander
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Zion will get hurt this season. Squeeze everything you can from him whenever he is healthy.
I mean this is what we did last year, this Wolves game was a carbon copy of last year game when Zion took over but in reverse.
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Posted on 11/18/23 at 9:33 pm to Pels_Yaz
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Its dumb to worry about that stuff right now.
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The shite lakers were playing horrible same time last year and made it to west finals.
The lakers play with a different set of rules than than pelicans. They can rebuild a roster mid season.
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The heat went to play-in to nba finals.
And they went to the finals in 2020. This Pels team has no track record of success. 42 wins is the high water mark in the last 5 years.
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Its dumb to worry about that stuff right now.
It’s also dumb to give this team or Zion any benefit of the doubt given the last 4 years.
He should have played. If you are going to load manage his wide load, at least do it on the road and not at home.
Posted on 11/18/23 at 9:36 pm to ned nederlander
Because trading for CJ wasn’t a big move either midseason right? Lakers don’t have a different set of rules- thats just a cop out answer.
It doesn’t matter. No one expected the play-in Heat to make the finals. Nobody.
Its game 13- I think its ok to give them the benefit if the doubt. If this is happening in game 73 I can understand your concern.
It doesn’t matter. No one expected the play-in Heat to make the finals. Nobody.
Its game 13- I think its ok to give them the benefit if the doubt. If this is happening in game 73 I can understand your concern.
Posted on 11/19/23 at 10:37 am to Pels_Yaz
The lakers do play by a different set of rules - clearly. They are a league wide destination franchise. We are maybe the last destination anyone wants to play in.
The pelicans have no culture of winning and no track record of winning. Sitting healthy stars for home games, against conference opponents, to position yourself for a playoff is a bold strategy for a team with one playoff series win in the last what - 15 years?
And it’s a f-you to fans who have bought tickets to support this team over the years.
If your 23 year old star is healthy - play him. It really is as simple as that.
And if there is anything to support load management actually produces better health outcomes for players in their 20s - I’m all ears.
The pelicans have no culture of winning and no track record of winning. Sitting healthy stars for home games, against conference opponents, to position yourself for a playoff is a bold strategy for a team with one playoff series win in the last what - 15 years?
And it’s a f-you to fans who have bought tickets to support this team over the years.
If your 23 year old star is healthy - play him. It really is as simple as that.
And if there is anything to support load management actually produces better health outcomes for players in their 20s - I’m all ears.
Posted on 11/19/23 at 10:41 am to ned nederlander
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If your 23 year old star is healthy - play him. It really is as simple as that.
Willie sort of put this back on Zion.
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Christian Clark @cclark_13 18h
Willie Green on decision to rest Zion: "Sometimes after those games and a tough game like that, he can have some bumps and bruises. We decided to hold him out tonight.”
Green added, “This was based on communication from him.”
I'm not saying Zion requested to not play, but he probably told the team that he wasn't 100% and they decided to sit him. Trying to keep Zion healthy long term is not an f-you to the fans. Let's just hope they get it right this season.
Posted on 11/19/23 at 11:05 am to TigerinATL
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I'm not saying Zion requested to not play, but he probably told the team that he wasn't 100% and they decided to sit him. Trying to keep Zion healthy long term is not an f-you to the fans. Let's just hope they get it right this season.
Fine - it might not be a f-you from the team, but it is from Zion if he sat with bumps and bruises. If you believe Green’s quote, resting Zion on second game of back to back isn’t some pre-planned approach to keep Zion healthy. It’s zion opting for a team L early in the season hoping it doesn’t matter because we’ll make the playoffs regardless and he’d rather rest up than grind.
We need to go 39-30 the rest of the way to win 45 games. A 45 win season is bottom half of the playoffs.
Zion sitting last night says Zion isn’t aspiring to lead a top of the conference team. And that is what bothers me.
Posted on 11/19/23 at 11:07 am to Pels_Yaz
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If he plays 60 or more games in todays nba then yes he is.
Yep, missing a quarter of the season is a win for us with our big two players, I'd love to finally see both of them reach that mark the same year.
Posted on 11/19/23 at 11:11 am to Tiger Ugly
Guys, they’ve said from beginning. It’s Zions team with this plan. Not the Pels. The Pels played 30 whatever CJ coming off of off-season surgery on back to backs. And it’s not Zion saying he’s beat up. This was plan from beginning.
PS- Zions team is full of idiots. Whether you agree with this plan or not.
PS- Zions team is full of idiots. Whether you agree with this plan or not.
Posted on 11/19/23 at 11:30 am to ned nederlander
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Zion sitting last night says Zion isn’t aspiring to lead a top of the conference team. And that is what bothers me.
The kings and bucks were top of the conference last year and were ousted in first round. A bottom half playoff team made the nba finals. If you learned anything from last season its about being healthy at the right time not worrying about playoff positioning in November.
Posted on 11/19/23 at 1:40 pm to Jar_Jar_80
Zion is fat, lazy, and stupid.
But right now, he is NOT injured.
Get rid of him NOW while he still has a little value.
Hopefully they’ve been shopping him and it’s just a matter of time.
But right now, he is NOT injured.
Get rid of him NOW while he still has a little value.
Hopefully they’ve been shopping him and it’s just a matter of time.
Posted on 11/19/23 at 2:18 pm to SportsGuyNOLA
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Hopefully they’ve been shopping him and it’s just a matter of time.
Posted on 11/19/23 at 2:25 pm to SportsGuyNOLA
Chicken really needs to do some age verification before allowing people to post.
Posted on 11/19/23 at 2:40 pm to ned nederlander
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If you believe Green’s quote, resting Zion on second game of back to back isn’t some pre-planned approach to keep Zion healthy.
It wasn't even just a B2B. It was also a 3rd game in 4 days.
Muscles that are sore or slightly strained are vulnerable in that kind of situation, and Zion takes a pounding every game in a way that other players do not.
I'll be surprised if there's another rest game for Zion this season. He's physically much better now than he was on opening night.
Posted on 11/19/23 at 3:39 pm to Pels_Yaz
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If you learned anything from last season its about being healthy at the right time not worrying about playoff positioning in November.
I agree with that - id rather this team be a bottom half playoff team and healthy than a top seed and injured.
But I don’t think that’s the choice at hand, and I don’t think resting Zion now does anything to ensure his health in April/May.
What I took from last year is this team needs more 3 pt shooting and needs Zion to commit to reaching his ceiling. When I see Zion needing two rest days through the first 13 games I question if Zion has made the decision we need him to make.
Posted on 11/19/23 at 8:24 pm to TigerinATL
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Christian Clark @cclark_13 18h Willie Green on decision to rest Zion: "Sometimes after those games and a tough game like that, he can have some bumps and bruises. We decided to hold him out tonight.” Green added, “This was based on communication from him.”
I'm not saying Zion requested to not play, but he probably told the team that he wasn't 100% and they decided to sit him. Trying to keep Zion healthy long term is not an f-you to the fans. Let's just hope they get it right this season.
I don’t see a problem with limiting minutes, but to not play at all is just ridiculous.
Posted on 11/19/23 at 8:41 pm to ned nederlander
If this leads to Zion playing 60+ games and is available to make the stretch run in February-April, I'll be goddamn happy.
Posted on 11/19/23 at 8:55 pm to PELsu
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Guys, they’ve said from beginning. It’s Zions team with this plan.
I don’t think this is accurate at all. No one to my knowledge has said this.
Everything I have seen mentions this is THE team taking the approach, not his team.
Posted on 11/19/23 at 9:11 pm to TigerinATL
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Green added, “This was based on communication from him.”
Well there you go.
Posted on 11/20/23 at 6:43 am to PELsu
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And it’s not Zion saying he’s beat up. This was plan from beginning.
I read a quote from Willie in the Advocate yesterday that seems to contradict this...."we decided to hold him out tonight," Green added "this was based on communication from him".
He didn't have to add that....but he did.
Posted on 11/20/23 at 8:14 am to Fun Bunch
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don’t think this is accurate at all. No one to my knowledge has said this.
It was said after the first rest game. And it was collaborative between Zion and the team
This post was edited on 11/20/23 at 8:21 am
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