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re: Zion is closer to being right than you think.
Posted on 2/2/24 at 10:55 pm to whatiknowsofar
Posted on 2/2/24 at 10:55 pm to whatiknowsofar
For the one millionth time…this team goes as far as Zion drags it…
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Posted on 2/2/24 at 11:01 pm to Solo
Who knows if Zion is gonna come around or not...BUT...I would go ahead and move BI now, or as soon as I could get a decent offer...and then, if Zion doesn't start living up to expectations...he could always be moved...in the next year or two.
This post was edited on 2/2/24 at 11:06 pm
Posted on 2/2/24 at 11:43 pm to whatiknowsofar
Zion, BI, Hawk, Dyson and herb. I still want to see that lineup
Posted on 2/3/24 at 7:55 am to Terrific Tales
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But it can’t be illustrated better than this game why Zion NEEDS to have the ball in his hand in clutch time
This is where I wonder if this board has watched the same games I’ve watched .
Zion has been a turnover machine in clutch time and ineffective overall when it has mattered most . He is part of the reason the Pels were defeated in every close have they had played this season before yesterday .
The Pels went to Zion on the most important possession of the game last night and he had his stuff pinned to the glass bc everyone knows he’s going left and can only score at the rim.
We lucky on the next possession that bi was able to swipe the putback attempt and fit a great bounce ti start the break. To Zions credit he ran the court harder than he has all season and made a great finish .
Posted on 2/3/24 at 8:28 am to Dinky Mulberry
The BI hate is getting creepy, some of y’all are obsessed.
Posted on 2/3/24 at 8:42 am to AboveTheRim
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Zion has been a turnover machine in clutch time and ineffective overall when it has mattered most
This is where I wonder if you watched the same games I've watched. Turnovers in the clutch aren't exclusive to Zion. Whole fricking team is bad with the ball in clutch.
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He is part of the reason the Pels were defeated in every close have they had played this season before yesterday .
His conditioning and our refusal to play through him in the clutch is why we lost during those times. We haven't built a crunch time identity worth a shite because of this.
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The Pels went to Zion on the most important possession of the game last night and he had his stuff pinned to the glass bc everyone knows he’s going left and can only score at the rim.
Wemby made a great play, up until that point Zion was killing him off the dribble.
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To Zions credit he ran the court harder than he has all season
Yeah that's not true. He's been giving you that sprint for the past few weeks now
Posted on 2/3/24 at 8:54 am to AboveTheRim
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This is where I wonder if this board has watched the same games I’ve watched .
This board has watched more than a dozen games this year where the Pelicans had a solid, sometimes double digit lead, at the 6 minute mark only to watch Zion be pulled and see the lead completely evaporate while the momentum and energy completely changes in favor of the opposing team. After the 6 minute substitution, we routinely go 3-4 minutes without scoring, and often times without a single good look. You completely discount the turnovers and lack of offense during this stretch and always focus on 1 or 2 possessions in a game that was a double digit lead minutes earlier.
Zion absolutely has had too many turnovers on the last 2 minutes. But, rarely do we ever see a shot clock violation or end of clock heave when the play starts with the ball in his hands. Those things are common as hell down the stretch when he doesn't touch the ball.
Posted on 2/3/24 at 9:34 am to mhasen1
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Zion absolutely has had too many turnovers on the last 2 minutes. But, rarely do we ever see a shot clock violation or end of clock heave when the play starts with the ball in his hands. Those things are common as hell down the stretch when he doesn't touch the ball.
I still think some of the turnovers are happening because of bs officiating. I am not sure why Zion doesn’t get just reasonable calls.
Also while our 3pt percentage has looked better at times. We should still be absolutely destroying people as Zion is sucking the whole defense in leaving wide open shots. Only a few people do that in the league and he is one of them. BI does not have that kind of effect.
This post was edited on 2/3/24 at 9:35 am
Posted on 2/3/24 at 10:16 am to AboveTheRim
Thank God you don’t run this team.
Posted on 2/3/24 at 12:18 pm to Dinky Mulberry
Issue with this imo is Zion can bring you better value now than Ingram and probably the best value he’ll likely give you in the future . This is the longest stretch of health he’s ever had .
Ingrams contract situation will limit return which is big part of why I would move Zion.
Ingrams contract situation will limit return which is big part of why I would move Zion.
Posted on 2/3/24 at 12:44 pm to AboveTheRim
So you want to be the one to pay Ingram the contract after getting rid of our best player?
Posted on 2/3/24 at 12:44 pm to AboveTheRim
But if you move Zion, there's no reason to keep BI, so you may as well move him too.
Posted on 2/3/24 at 12:45 pm to AboveTheRim
I see your point but am still in the camp that you keep both and continue to build. Some folks here are so irrational and assume that you can't keep both. You play the season out, hopefully with some strategic upgrades and see where your playoff run goes. If you are progressing, you pay the tax. If you fall flat you make off-season moves.
It's comical that some folks complain about having a winner in NOLA and when they actually start building something, all of a sudden the excuses come out ... Don't want Mrs. B to pay tax money, when we all know what the real reason is
By all accounts, the team gets along well and pulls for one another ... if only some of these so-called fans of the team could do the same.
It's comical that some folks complain about having a winner in NOLA and when they actually start building something, all of a sudden the excuses come out ... Don't want Mrs. B to pay tax money, when we all know what the real reason is
By all accounts, the team gets along well and pulls for one another ... if only some of these so-called fans of the team could do the same.
Posted on 2/3/24 at 12:47 pm to Pistol44
quote:It's irrational to think we can keep both and be a legit contender.
Some folks here are so irrational and assume that you can't keep both
quote:What have we built though?
It's comical that some folks complain about having a winner in NOLA and when they actually start building something, all of a sudden the excuses come out
It's year 5, our 2 dudes are mostly healthy, and we're in a battle to try to avoid the play in.
Now couple that with the money crunch coming, and it's hard to make an argument to pay BI.
Posted on 2/3/24 at 12:59 pm to shel311
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It's year 5, our 2 dudes are mostly healthy, and we're in a battle to try to avoid the play-in.
West was always going to be a gunfight for the top 6 positions and for all practical purposes, Pels are tied for 5th. with a lot of shite-the-bed performances. Guess I'm an optimist and feel that a couple of key moves to shore up the Pels front-court would go a long way to getting a first-round playoff home advantage and at least a second-round series (which should be the goal). If they play to goal (or come reasonably close), there is no reason for Mrs. B not to pay the tax.
Posted on 2/3/24 at 4:08 pm to shel311
We don’t agree on this and that’s okay .
Moving Zion doesn’t mean rebuild imo . if you bring in a high level player that can shoot the ball from 3 ( Mikal Brides type ) or a player that you think can make a big jump over the next season or 2.
The problem with BI and Zion together is they score from the same area … getting one of them out of the others way helps. It’s trust BI as a player long term more than I do Zion.
Now if you can get Mikal or one of the players described above without moving BI or Zion , you do it assuming it doesn’t completely cripple the depth of the roster .
Moving Zion doesn’t mean rebuild imo . if you bring in a high level player that can shoot the ball from 3 ( Mikal Brides type ) or a player that you think can make a big jump over the next season or 2.
The problem with BI and Zion together is they score from the same area … getting one of them out of the others way helps. It’s trust BI as a player long term more than I do Zion.
Now if you can get Mikal or one of the players described above without moving BI or Zion , you do it assuming it doesn’t completely cripple the depth of the roster .
This post was edited on 2/3/24 at 4:15 pm
Posted on 2/3/24 at 5:50 pm to AboveTheRim
You only win titles with generational talents. Zion still has a chance to be that guy. If you move off Z, you might as well concede the fact that you won't be winning a title any time soon.
This fanbase needs to chill. Stop being amateur GM's and see if these guys continue to grow. You rarely win titles until your star hits their prime. BI is just starting his prime and Zion is still years out.
This fanbase needs to chill. Stop being amateur GM's and see if these guys continue to grow. You rarely win titles until your star hits their prime. BI is just starting his prime and Zion is still years out.
Posted on 2/3/24 at 6:20 pm to six4lsu
Ppl that lead their teams to titles don’t have the”issues” Zion has had since becoming a pro.
If I’m sticking to the on court stuff .
He is not a leader .
He has not improved his skill set .
He cannot get or stay in shape.
He does not give consistent effort.
He doesn’t do the little things .
I don’t care how talented someone is . If you don’t do those things you’ll never reach the peak .
He is a very good player and will likely stay that until his body quits on him which seems like it will happen sooner than it should .
If I’m sticking to the on court stuff .
He is not a leader .
He has not improved his skill set .
He cannot get or stay in shape.
He does not give consistent effort.
He doesn’t do the little things .
I don’t care how talented someone is . If you don’t do those things you’ll never reach the peak .
He is a very good player and will likely stay that until his body quits on him which seems like it will happen sooner than it should .
Posted on 2/3/24 at 7:21 pm to AboveTheRim
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It’s trust BI as a player long term more than I do Zion.
Then you have absolutely no clue what top end championship-winning talent looks like in the NBA.
Posted on 2/3/24 at 8:00 pm to NOSHAU
quote:every shooter ever has had droughts or slumps
Me too because he has been borderline unplayable lately. Hope he gets out of his funk soo because he is not looking like a $30 million a year player.
I agree we need to see him pick himself up off the floor…but at the same time I believe in him and think the longer this goes on…no matter how small it will have an effect on his market…ultimately helping us
If last games Zion is the beginning of Zion reemerging…life will get a lot easier for Trey
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