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re: Zach Lowe splashes a little cold water on Pels
Posted on 12/8/20 at 4:25 pm to TigerinATL
Posted on 12/8/20 at 4:25 pm to TigerinATL
I mean as I’ve said I think the potential is clearly there for us to be better(though in terms of the starting lineup maybe not unless Zion really does add a mid range or a three after adjusting his shot), just that in full context(personnel, system, Zion’s return), however, on paper, we took a step back in spacing and three point shooting...But there is a path that might not be the case.
For instance I think Kira is very underrated in the catch and shoot and it wouldn’t shock me to see him get 10 minutes a game off his ability to change up the pace and knock down threes off screens(and SVG alluded to this with his comments about our guards needing to play both roles since we only have Reddick as a true SG, listing Kira as one of the four point guards that will see time).
For instance I think Kira is very underrated in the catch and shoot and it wouldn’t shock me to see him get 10 minutes a game off his ability to change up the pace and knock down threes off screens(and SVG alluded to this with his comments about our guards needing to play both roles since we only have Reddick as a true SG, listing Kira as one of the four point guards that will see time).
Posted on 4/28/21 at 9:57 am to Fun Bunch
Turns out, Zach Lowe is a pretty smart guy.
Posted on 4/28/21 at 10:13 am to Fun Bunch
Note to self: when Zach Lowe says something, take it as gospel.
Posted on 4/28/21 at 10:35 am to saints5021
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Note to self: when Zach Lowe says something, take it as gospel.
Damn reading the OP, Lowe NAILED the analysis.
Posted on 4/28/21 at 10:41 am to ghost2most
Yeah he definitely mentioned some things that were obvious but if it wasn't for dog shite coaching and injuries this team should/would be well over .500. I mean didn't it take SVG damn near half the season to realize that he should be playing Zion down the stretch? Is this roster perfect and complete, absolutely not, but their are more glaring issues than the lack of spacing and depth
Posted on 4/28/21 at 10:46 am to ghost2most
quote:Didn't need Lowe to point this out. It was obvious to many. Sad that it was not obvious to Griffin and Langdon.
Damn reading the OP, Lowe NAILED the analysis.
Posted on 4/28/21 at 10:50 am to NOSHAU
Yet another thread a handful of us trying to be objective got hit endlessly that we were ultimately in the right.
This post was edited on 4/28/21 at 10:52 am
Posted on 4/28/21 at 10:52 am to J_Hingle
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if it wasn't for dog shite coaching and injuries
The Pels fan credo.
The reality is that the players weren’t good enough. They were in position to succeed over and over again and they just sucked. They missed shots, turned it over, allowed easy baskets at the end of games. These are Stan issues to some extent but the lion’s share of the blame falls on the players.
Posted on 4/28/21 at 10:55 am to TotesMcGotes
Also I’m pretty sure we have the best injury luck in the entire league. Not an excuse this year.
Posted on 4/28/21 at 10:57 am to TotesMcGotes
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These are Stan issues to some extent but the lion’s share of the blame falls on the players.
Or the President and GM that put together such a weird roster with a lack of depth, shooting, and defensive flexibility.
Posted on 4/28/21 at 11:08 am to Bronc
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Yet another thread a handful of us trying to be objective got hit endlessly that we were ultimately in the right.
Did you expect Bledsoe to be a 35% 3 point shooter, which he has regressed down to late in the season likely due to him not giving a shite anymore?
we went from 37% from 3 to 35%. We are also taking 17% less 3's than last year. We are taking more 2's, and making more 2's, up 2.3%. We are taking 11% more FT's than last year and shooting the same.
Our 3 point offense is obviously worst, but our offense as a whole isn't.
Our ORTG is up from 110 last year to 114 this year.
But the reason we suck has nothing to do with our offense.
Our defense is terrible. And that's why we lose.
Opponents are shooting 2.5% better from 3 and are taking 11% more 3's than us than last year. 2 point FG% has stayed the same, but people aren't taking as many against us, and teams arent' getting to the line as much against us as last year. Basically we are leaving guys wide open for 3 far too often, but we all already knew that.
Posted on 4/28/21 at 11:15 am to TeddyPadillac
quote:With a coach that credits himself for being a good defensive coach. Problem is, the NBA has changed drastically since he last coached.
But the reason we suck has nothing to do with our offense.
Our defense is terrible. And that's why we lose.
Opponents are shooting 2.5% better from 3 and are taking 11% more 3's than us than last year. 2 point FG% has stayed the same, but people aren't taking as many against us, and teams arent' getting to the line as much against us as last year. Basically we are leaving guys wide open for 3 far too often, but we all already knew that.
Posted on 4/28/21 at 11:15 am to Fun Bunch
Even with those issues, the Pels had so many games to close and they just sucked. And every time the majority of people here would blame Stan for that. Stan has done enough to put these guys in positions to win and they just frick it up left and right.
It’s year 1 for him. I’m willing to give him some time. But scheme alone isn’t going to get these guys to contender status.
It’s year 1 for him. I’m willing to give him some time. But scheme alone isn’t going to get these guys to contender status.
Posted on 4/28/21 at 11:25 am to TeddyPadillac
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Did you expect Bledsoe to be a 35% 3 point shooter, which he has regressed down to late in the season likely due to him not giving a shite anymore?
The spacing issue goes beyond Bledsoe, and if you read the thread I noted that it certainly is possible that we could maybe have some internal improvements due to various factors, but it was clear that on paper our balance was ugly and our spacing would be an issue.
We have the 8th best offensive rating on the heels of Zion being a freak of nature and BI doing BI things. But that doesn’t really tell the story. Our team’s TS% is ranked only 13th. Influenced heavily by Zion’s high usage TS percentage. So a lot of what we are doing is coming on the back of giving up a ton of points(and some offensive rebounding) and having extra possessions to score.
I honestly hate this simple narrative that the offense is fine. It’s not. And you could see the problems from day one.
Posted on 4/28/21 at 11:25 am to Fun Bunch
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Lowe basically says that he doesn’t know what to think of this roster.
All the concerns listed is what all the analyst including Lowe had mentioned prior to this season. It was well known that Adams was a terrible fit and doubling down on it by offering the extension was bad business.
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Also thinks our starting lineups shooting is going to shrink the floor down to a pinpoint.
We often look at this as something that hurts Zion, but I believe it has had a much bigger effect on B.I. than anyone else.
Posted on 4/28/21 at 11:30 am to Bronc
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The spacing issue goes beyond Bledsoe, and if you read the thread I noted that it certainly is possible that we could maybe have some internal improvements due to various factors, but it was clear that on paper our balance was ugly and our spacing would be an issue.
I agree.
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I honestly hate this simple narrative that the offense is fine. It’s not. And you could see the problems from day one.
I have said this a good bit lately.
I know i just said our ORtg is significantly better than it was last year, and i've given my theory as to why i think that is.
Teams simply don't give a shite about defending against us until it matters. Our late 4th quarter offense is no where near what our offense is the rest of the game. Teams coast on defense all game b/c they know they can score at will on us and at a minimum keep it close. Then they start playign with about 7 minutes left and that's why we have that ridiculous graphic of what are record is if the game ended with 3 minutes left.
and that is why i think it's so important to make the playoffs, b/c that is where you get to see what you are really made of. There's no more coasting through 85% of the game. Teams do full scouting reports and really have the time to focus on shutting you down, so you really get to see what kind of team you have, and if you're capable of making adjustments.
This post was edited on 4/28/21 at 11:32 am
Posted on 4/28/21 at 11:40 am to Fun Bunch
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It’s a very good listen. Lowe basically says that he doesn’t know what to think of this roster.
We have a ton of young players trying to figure out who they are in the modern NBA on a team devoid of vets.
These guys keep answering their own questions. They don’t know the answers either.
If Zion wasn’t so transcendent, people would be more patient with the roster. But he is. So people are expecting a team led by a 20 year old with no vets around him to be a playoff team immediately because he has banana numbers.
Adams probably does not fit. But look at the development of our bigs with him around.
Bledsoe probably does not fit. But look at how hard our guards play.
People “WANT IT NOW”, but they aren’t willing to look long term. To be even a little bit patient.
Zion is a unique piece. He’s a spacing void that can get to the rim and finish at an absurd rate anyways. There’s bigs playing off him that are just sagging 10-13 feet.
We shoot ~40% from 3 in wins and ~32% in losses (the gap is actually more like 8.2% but I’m rounding).
Opponents shoot ~42% from 3 when we lose and ~34% from 3 when we win. (Again it’s more 8.4% gap)
This isn’t rocket science. Figuring out how to play around Zion’s strengths AND weaknesses will likely take more than 80 games. He’s a weird and rare talent. Exciting as hell that he’s here, but people look at the stats and don’t watch games. And wonder “wtf” without seeing that there are nearly 5 guys just packing the paint every night.
Posted on 4/28/21 at 12:05 pm to ShamelessPel
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Bledsoe probably does not fit. But look at how hard our guards play.
What? You really think Bledsoe not giving a shite is making our guards play hard?
Posted on 4/28/21 at 12:34 pm to ghost2most
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What? You really think Bledsoe not giving a shite is making our guards play hard?
Bledsoe supposedly has been a great mentor to the younger guards on the team. That narrative isn't new.
Posted on 4/28/21 at 1:03 pm to Fun Bunch
Lowe said that our problem would be shooting.
Lowe somehow knew that Redick's 3-pt percentage was going to go down? Vets almost never lose their stroke and see their percentage go down.
Lowe knew that, instead of building on what he learned in his first year in the league, Melli would regress and completely suck? Those were the guys we were counting on to provide a lot of our outside shooting.
What anyone would have expected out of them is that Redick would shoot the same percentage on slightly fewer shots (because older players have more trouble getting open looks), and that Melli would improve his percentage slightly as he got more comfortable in the NBA.
The main reason that we have had problems with shooting this year is that Redick and Melli turned to crap, and I can't imagine how that was predictable at the beginning of the season.
Lowe somehow knew that Redick's 3-pt percentage was going to go down? Vets almost never lose their stroke and see their percentage go down.
Lowe knew that, instead of building on what he learned in his first year in the league, Melli would regress and completely suck? Those were the guys we were counting on to provide a lot of our outside shooting.
What anyone would have expected out of them is that Redick would shoot the same percentage on slightly fewer shots (because older players have more trouble getting open looks), and that Melli would improve his percentage slightly as he got more comfortable in the NBA.
The main reason that we have had problems with shooting this year is that Redick and Melli turned to crap, and I can't imagine how that was predictable at the beginning of the season.
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