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re: Your boy Flecher on 1280 am Eric Asher show..Phoenix is a darkhorse
Posted on 5/22/19 at 2:43 pm to Fun Bunch
Posted on 5/22/19 at 2:43 pm to Fun Bunch
There are varying degrees of efficiency bunchy. If you are creating your own shot and can knock it down, great. If 60% of your buckets are layups and dunks and you are assisted on 71% of your buckets, eh. Doesnt really get to the line enough despite being a decent FT shooter.
PHO is probably too obsessed with this dude, which is why you wouldnt get a deal done. Also why their franchise has been more terrible than ours
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Posted on 5/22/19 at 2:45 pm to shel311
Oh and added bonus, guess who shoots midrange shots at almost the same clip as Ayton. DING DING DING it's the guy the Pels would be trading for Ayton.
Posted on 5/22/19 at 2:46 pm to Lester Earl
They haven't changed, I just think higher of that package than you do.
It is at the least, interesting and gives me pause.
Yes I want a SG/SF at the heart of any package but that is a lot of value there, in a vacuum.
It is at the least, interesting and gives me pause.
Yes I want a SG/SF at the heart of any package but that is a lot of value there, in a vacuum.
Posted on 5/22/19 at 2:48 pm to Lester Earl
I'd do that deal, but don't know why Phoenix would, unless AD and Booker are super close.
Posted on 5/22/19 at 2:50 pm to CP3forMVP
Posted on 5/22/19 at 3:03 pm to BayouRat15
You take this deal now.
Posted on 5/22/19 at 3:05 pm to teke184
quote:
How objectively worthless is Johnson? More worthless or less worthless than Solo?
Heck no just way overpaid
TJ is a legit nba bench player(7th man type) that can start occasionally
He's around the same level as Etwaun but a slightly better defender and playmaker. He should be getting about what Etwaun is paid rather than over twice that.
Posted on 5/22/19 at 3:07 pm to GeauxTigers2020
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Oh and added bonus, guess who shoots midrange shots at almost the same clip as Ayton. DING DING DING it's the guy the Pels would be trading for Ayton.
Circle back when Ayton plays about 400 more games
When we get there, if 36% of Ayton's shots extend from 3' to 16' and he can shoot 43%+ on those shots, I will concede this argument.
Im really not hating on Ayton, I think he only gets better. I just dont think he's the guy to move us forward. Now if I could guarantee one of our targets were there at 6, then we could talk
Posted on 5/22/19 at 3:13 pm to GynoSandberg
A big man in today’s nba has to be able to integrate. You can’t really build a team around one unless he’s multi talented like say Jokic. Or just a defensive piece like Gobert, or an insanely skilled Embiid.
Just dropping 20/10 doesn’t mean anything anymore. shite even Anthony Davis is proof of that. He puts up generational numbers and you see the impact. The league has not figured out how to build teams around these guys
Just dropping 20/10 doesn’t mean anything anymore. shite even Anthony Davis is proof of that. He puts up generational numbers and you see the impact. The league has not figured out how to build teams around these guys
Posted on 5/22/19 at 3:17 pm to Fun Bunch
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Yes I want a SG/SF at the heart of any package
Good bunch, then focus!
Posted on 5/22/19 at 3:26 pm to Lester Earl
That's too narrow minded and single transactioned a view.
You get the highest return. Pieces and players can be moved. But you should be searching for the single best return.
You get the highest return. Pieces and players can be moved. But you should be searching for the single best return.
Posted on 5/22/19 at 3:27 pm to Lester Earl
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Ayton does not compare to any of the big men on those teams. All are special in their multifaceted way
DPOTY like Gobert?
No
Inside/out & athleticism of Embiid?
No
Best passing big man in L like Jokic?
No
Until Ayton develops more skills it reminds me of when Greg Monroe was a thing on this board
You didnt ask if he was the best big man in the league. You said there wasnt any teams with big men as stars that win.
Teams can win with a big man being one of the top options.
Im not going to compare the best quality of those big men who are in their prime vs a RC. No shite he's not the best passing big man in the league or the defensive player of the year. But he's 21 years old and has a ton of game and is going to get better. His RC season was better than Gobert and Jokic's.
Posted on 5/22/19 at 3:29 pm to Lester Earl
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Why is Ayton such a commodity?
I don't like the fit next to Zion either. Zion needs a spacer next to him.
Posted on 5/22/19 at 3:29 pm to Fun Bunch
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But you should be searching for the single best return.
I am, and it doesn’t revolve around a big man. You only get one shot at this.
I’d rather Mitchell Robinson as a piece rather than Ayton as THE piece any day of the week
Posted on 5/22/19 at 3:31 pm to iwyLSUiwy
I think we are focusing too much on Ayton individually and not the flexibility this deal would give us.
Say it's AD/Hill for Ayton/Warren/Culver or Garland/Johnson/picks
You go forward with:
Zion, Ayton, Garland/Culver, Jrue, Warren
Next year you add a lotto pick and plenty of cap room to get some good veteran pieces to add to our nucleus via FA or taking on a bad contract to fill out your roster
Then you can go over the cap to extend Zion, Ayton, Culver/Garland
You're not asking Ayton to be Embiid. If he becomes Embiid or KAT, great. If Zion is everything he's made out to be, we don't need Ayton to be Superman, just a great sidekick when you have Jrue and another great young guard to go with them.
Say it's AD/Hill for Ayton/Warren/Culver or Garland/Johnson/picks
You go forward with:
Zion, Ayton, Garland/Culver, Jrue, Warren
Next year you add a lotto pick and plenty of cap room to get some good veteran pieces to add to our nucleus via FA or taking on a bad contract to fill out your roster
Then you can go over the cap to extend Zion, Ayton, Culver/Garland
You're not asking Ayton to be Embiid. If he becomes Embiid or KAT, great. If Zion is everything he's made out to be, we don't need Ayton to be Superman, just a great sidekick when you have Jrue and another great young guard to go with them.
Posted on 5/22/19 at 3:35 pm to Lester Earl
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I’d rather Mitchell Robinson as a piece rather than Ayton as THE piece any day of the week
Same, if we're pairing Zion with a center it needs to be either someone very versatile like AD, someone who can stretch the floor like Myles Turner, or someone who is a strong defender and will probably only play ~20 minutes per game like Robinson. I don't get the fit with an offensive minded traditional big, who is weak on D and can't shoot the 3
Posted on 5/22/19 at 3:37 pm to Lester Earl
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I’d rather Mitchell Robinson as a piece rather than Ayton as THE piece any day of the week
Let's just break it down to there essentials:
Ayton
#6
TJ Warren
Robinson
#3
Knox (or you can insert Frank Nk or DSJ here, whatever)
Does the #3 possess that much more value than the difference between Robinson/Knox and AYton/Warren?
Posted on 5/22/19 at 3:42 pm to Fun Bunch
RJ is worth a good bit more than the 6 pick in my opinion.
Posted on 5/22/19 at 3:45 pm to Lester Earl
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I’d rather Mitchell Robinson as a piece rather than Ayton as THE piece any day of the week
Is anybody saying that Ayton is going to be THE piece?
I think everybody is pretty much in agreement that Zion is going to be the guy. But Ayton is A very nice piece.
Posted on 5/22/19 at 3:46 pm to Fun Bunch
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Ayton
#6
TJ Warren
Robinson
#3
Knox (or you can insert Frank Nk or DSJ here, whatever)
quote:
Does the #3 possess that much more value than the difference between Robinson/Knox and AYton/Warren?
No
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