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re: Yearly NBA trade thread, BREAKING: Mark Williams trade rescinded by Lakers

Posted on 1/8/25 at 10:38 am to
Posted by ghost2most
Member since Mar 2012
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Posted on 1/8/25 at 10:38 am to
I would make the trade just to enjoy watching us play the Heat and have Brooks reduce Ingram to near tears.
Posted by TeddyPadillac
Member since Dec 2010
30344 posts
Posted on 1/8/25 at 10:59 am to
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I hear you, but at end of the day to get a trade done sometimes you have to take something bad back to get something good.


I hear that, but you didn’t get back nearly enough for what you gave up.
Posted by teke184
Zachary, LA
Member since Jan 2007
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Posted on 1/8/25 at 12:07 pm to
BI is kind of a distressed asset at this point.

Hard to get much return back on a guy whose contract is expiring and won’t sign an extension.



The real question is how much of a setback like be someone like Brooks to any actual assets we get from this. Because getting something is typically better than nothing unless there is a massive cost associated with it.

$20m for an extra season isn’t that bad if he is still tradable.
Posted by Soggymoss
Member since Aug 2018
17657 posts
Posted on 1/8/25 at 12:20 pm to
Change it to:

Miami: Ingram, Brooks

Houston: Butler, Theis

Pels: Robinson, JSJ, Jovic or Ware

Pistons: Adams and whatever draft picks Miami needs to send

Gets us way out of the tax and we get two young prospects with an expiring 19 million dollar deal next year.
This post was edited on 1/8/25 at 12:22 pm
Posted by teke184
Zachary, LA
Member since Jan 2007
104035 posts
Posted on 1/8/25 at 12:24 pm to
As much as I would like Ke’el Ware, how are we supposed to develop him and Missi at the same time?
Posted by Soggymoss
Member since Aug 2018
17657 posts
Posted on 1/8/25 at 12:38 pm to
It’s more of who Miami would be willing to move, but Ware also has the skillset to play the 4, remember he’s shooting 43% on 3’s this season.

A 4 and 5 rotation of Zion, JSJ, Ware and Missi has those spots set for years and also gives plenty of depth to overcome injuries. Missi is really the only one of those guys that can only play the 5.
Posted by LSU4ever2002
Member since Sep 2009
723 posts
Posted on 1/8/25 at 12:51 pm to
I just dont think this is realistic. Pelicans arent getting Jabari Smith jr and Jovic or Ware for Brandon Ingram. And Miami isnt giving up a 1st round pick to turn Jimmy into Brandon Ingram.
Posted by Soggymoss
Member since Aug 2018
17657 posts
Posted on 1/8/25 at 1:01 pm to
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Pelicans arent getting Jabari Smith jr and Jovic or Ware for Brandon Ingram

We also take on what’s considered a bad contract in Duncan, so instead of any picks for taking the deal Miami sends a player. For our part it’s basically Ingram for JSJ, and then since we have extra space we take a bad deal in Duncan for an asset, whether that asset is Jovic or Ware.
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And Miami isnt giving up a 1st round pick to turn Jimmy into Brandon Ingram

They’re not giving up a pick for that, the pick is for shedding 12 million dollars and getting themselves out of the tax this season. That would be worth it to them, and they maybe able to make it happen with 2nds or sending a 1st while getting some seconds back from Detroit.
This post was edited on 1/8/25 at 1:03 pm
Posted by TeddyPadillac
Member since Dec 2010
30344 posts
Posted on 1/8/25 at 1:16 pm to
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BI is kind of a distressed asset at this point.

Hard to get much return back on a guy whose contract is expiring and won’t sign an extension.


Raptors got back Bruce Brown and 3 1sts for Siakam in the same exact situation last year.
Posted by NOSHAU
Member since Feb 2012
13753 posts
Posted on 1/8/25 at 2:30 pm to
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I wouldn't mind Whitmore, but I don't want Dillon Brooks asshat attitude on this team, nor do I want that contract of 2 more years at $20M each. He's a negative asset in my book, and if I were taking him on with Whitmore for BI, then I'd want at least 2 1sts as well.
Not sure I want Whimore. He acted like an entitled arse. Don't want that in our locker room. He is not talented enough to act like some spoiled superstar.
Posted by NOSHAU
Member since Feb 2012
13753 posts
Posted on 1/8/25 at 2:31 pm to
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It’s more of who Miami would be willing to move, but Ware also has the skillset to play the 4, remember he’s shooting 43% on 3’s this season.
On a total of 21 shots all season.
Posted by Soggymoss
Member since Aug 2018
17657 posts
Posted on 1/8/25 at 3:58 pm to
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On a total of 21 shots all season.

And on 40 last season in college, so he’s at 61 shots at 43% which means he can shoot the 3. Not sure what you’re trying to argue here
Posted by NOSHAU
Member since Feb 2012
13753 posts
Posted on 1/8/25 at 4:18 pm to
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And on 40 last season in college, so he’s at 61 shots at 43% which means he can shoot the 3. Not sure what you’re trying to argue here
Just pointing out that 43% is very misleading for someone who has shot only 21 all season. I would not call him a stretch 4 or assume he is a reliable 3 point shooter. Maybe he has the tools to develop at some point, but do not see it that important yet.
Posted by Townedrunkard
Member since Jan 2019
15065 posts
Posted on 1/8/25 at 4:37 pm to
Does it really matter? When one is not on the court, the other will be.

I like the trade, it’s the kind of players we should be targeting. Theres quite a few I’d be happy prying from Houston.
This post was edited on 1/8/25 at 4:38 pm
Posted by NOSHAU
Member since Feb 2012
13753 posts
Posted on 1/8/25 at 5:38 pm to
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Does it really matter? When one is not on the court, the other will be.

I like the trade, it’s the kind of players we should be targeting. Theres quite a few I’d be happy prying from Houston.
Agree. I would want younger players on nice contracts to evaluate for a few years. Houston does not appear ready to trade their young talent. But you're right, they are certainly a team I would be shooting for.
Posted by PrimeTime Money
Houston, Texas, USA
Member since Nov 2012
28019 posts
Posted on 1/10/25 at 5:00 pm to
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I hear that, but you didn’t get back nearly enough for what you gave up.
I think people here are underrating Cam Whitmore. I honestly don’t understand why he doesn’t play more. I’m not convinced Jalen Green is better than Whitmore. If Whitmore got consistent playing time, I feel he’d excel. He’s just as athletic as Jalen Green, he’s bigger, is a better shooter (even if his numbers don’t show it this year), and can finish through contact.

I honestly don’t know why he doesn’t get more consistent minutes other than the coach and staff being committed to guys in front of him already.
Posted by supe12sta12z
Tiger Town
Member since Apr 2012
13304 posts
Posted on 1/10/25 at 5:07 pm to
Probably because he needs to learn how to pass the ball. Dude has 9 total assists all year. Talented player none the less.
Posted by PrimeTime Money
Houston, Texas, USA
Member since Nov 2012
28019 posts
Posted on 1/10/25 at 8:08 pm to
He hardly plays. When he gets the opportunity, I’m sure he’s looking to put up points in the little time he has on the floor.
Posted by supe12sta12z
Tiger Town
Member since Apr 2012
13304 posts
Posted on 1/10/25 at 8:21 pm to
Sheppard barely plays but already has 4 times more assists.
Posted by PrimeTime Money
Houston, Texas, USA
Member since Nov 2012
28019 posts
Posted on 1/11/25 at 8:52 pm to
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Sheppard barely plays but already has 4 times more assists.
Sheppard is a point guard. Whitmore is a small forward.
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