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moneyg
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re: Would you trade Davis for Anteokounemko?
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I would do that in a heart beat.


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ShamelessPel
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re: Would you trade Davis for Anteokounemko?
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Moves with the ball extremely well, can play the point forward role. Would you consider Simmons a big?


Both of these guys kinda remind me of younger Lebron. Just because youre y’all and your outside shooting isn’t great that doesn’t make you a big.


Giannis doesn't have the court vision of Simmons, much less anywhere near Lebron.

Giannis is below DEMARCUS COUSINS in assist %. Guess Boogie is a wing too just because he touches the ball so much that he racks up 4-5 APG.

Quit confusing usage with actual efficiency. Giannis is nowhere near the passer of these other point forwards.


Lester Earl
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re: Would you trade Davis for Anteokounemko?
absolutely, anyone that wouldnt is a homer

mobile, long wing can affect the game much more than a big. Recent championships prove that. AD hasn't been able to propel to the Pels to much of anything.


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Eman5805
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re: Would you trade Davis for Anteokounemko?
They won't drop the pretense and are trying to be more profound than they're able to hold up.

Giannis is a better ball handler. He's like Durant. He doesn't look as awkward when dribbling as Davis does. So he's a wing.

I don't agree, mind you. Just when people discuss it, they see athleticism when he dribbles and dunks from 10 feet out with ease.


Epic Cajun
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re: Would you trade Davis for Anteokounemko?
I would, only because of Giannis' ball handling.


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Suntiger
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re: Would you trade Davis for Anteokounemko?
This is a tough one. On one hand Davis is super skilled and should have a longer career, a la Tim Duncan. Giannis is super athletic, but those guys tend to fade out quicker once an injury happens, a la Amar'e Stoudemire.

However, Davis’ injury history concerns me. That almost makes it a toss up for me. I’d almost have to accept the trade just based on position.



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ShamelessPel
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re: Would you trade Davis for Anteokounemko?
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They won't drop the pretense and are trying to be more profound than they're able to hold up.

Giannis is a better ball handler. He's like Durant. He doesn't look as awkward when dribbling as Davis does. So he's a wing.

I don't agree, mind you. Just when people discuss it, they see athleticism when he dribbles and dunks from 10 feet out with ease.


The Bucks did an incredible job of finding Giannis every time he had a mismatch last night. He had a harder time going 1v1 vs. AD, but he absolutely abused the slower bigs or the smaller guards. He's also more physically imposing than AD and has a much larger catch radius. Giannis is a fricking monster. He is not a point forward though. I don't get why that freaks people out so much. There is very little evidence to suggest he's in the same class as Simmons as a creator, much less the absurdity of mentioning him next to LBJ.


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re: Would you trade Davis for Anteokounemko?
Definitely


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corndeaux
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He is not a point forward though


he doesnt have to be a point forward to be a wing. he is elite at creating and scoring for himself.

he does things that bigs just dont do. he does things that many do. best way to think about him is to, again, ignore position. it is semantics. think back to our old friend the Z graph.



ShamelessPel
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he does things that many do. best way to think about him is to, again, ignore position. it is semantics. think back to our old friend the Z graph.


Ok, if you go by the Z-Graph, his strengths are much more in line with a big than a SF/SG.


corndeaux
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re: Would you trade Davis for Anteokounemko?
he doesn't check 3s, assists, mid-range. mileage will vary on perimeter/post defense. that's not "much more" in line. that's one extra category

what he does and what Davis does are very different things. again, for example, he is elite at scoring for himself. Davis is not because he doesnt have the handle or the iso game of Giannis

you want to label him a big, go ahead. it's not wrong. it's also not wrong to look at his game and label him a wing. the entire argument is missing the forest for the trees
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ShamelessPel
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what he does and what Davis does are very different things. again, for example, he is elite at scoring for himself. Davis is not because he doesnt have the handle or the iso game of Giannis

you want to label him a big, go ahead. it's not wrong. it's also not wrong to look at his game and label him a wing. the entire argument is missing the forest for the trees


What Davis lacks in handles, he makes up for in his arsenal of shots. He can literally finish from anywhere on the floor, and despite Giannis' ridiculous numbers at the rim this year, Davis is still whooping him in TS %.

This all started because I made a comment that Giannis is as much a wing as AD is, and I fail to see how that's incorrect. AD is a much more efficient outside scorer and makes up in quickness what Giannis gains in power/explosiveness.

Saying Davis can't play iso ball efficiently just seems like a made up fact as well.


CocoLoco
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re: Would you trade Davis for Anteokounemko?
I consider him a wing because of his ability with the ball. And I’m not saying he’s in Lebrons class or even close, but he can play the point forward role. He can create his own shots better than “bigs” do. He is a wing in a big mans body.


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LSU1SLU
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re: Would you trade Davis for Anteokounemko?
Last night must have been the first time in last two seasons y’all have watched Giannis lmao. What a joke this board is sometimes. GA has been basically playing PG last two seasons yet ad is just as much of a wing as he is lmao. Ignorance at its finest


ShamelessPel
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re: Would you trade Davis for Anteokounemko?
A PG who can't run an offense or shoot.

LINK


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corndeaux
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re: Would you trade Davis for Anteokounemko?
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What Davis lacks in handles,


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Giannis is as much a wing as AD is, and I fail to see how that's incorrect.


the handles are why most people think of Giannis as a wing and Davis as a big

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AD is a much more efficient outside scorer


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Davis is still whooping him in TS %.


great. Davis has a better jump and 3pt shot. how does that make Giannis a PF?

if you just want to say you think Davis is better, just say that as opposed to whatever point you're trying to make.

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Saying Davis can't play iso ball efficiently just seems like a made up fact as well.


for fricks sake

they are two of the most efficient, high volume scorers in the league. Davis is assisted on 68% of his FGM, Giannis on 45% of his. you tell me what that means


ShamelessPel
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re: Would you trade Davis for Anteokounemko?
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for fricks sake

they are two of the most efficient, high volume scorers in the league. Davis is assisted on 68% of his FGM, Giannis on 45% of his. you tell me what that means


Means people are in here placing attributes on Giannis that are simply not there. Davis is assisted on his shots more because the offense doesn’t create through him nearly as often. Nelson, Rondo, Cousins, Holiday are all ball handlers ahead of AD. Davis is a capable passer, yet he’s not asked to be the creator in our offense. If you gave him the same role that Giannis or Cousins has, you’d likely see similar output.

Greek Freak does not operate efficiently on the wings. He’s an efficient player at the rim. Just because he can dribble past bigger guys from the perimeter doesn’t make him Paul George.

He’s not a fricking perimeter player. My god.


corndeaux
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offense doesn’t create through him nearly as often


because he can't generate efficient offense as a creator. as we have seen the last 2 seasons.

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Greek Freak does not operate efficiently on the wings


i think you confused the word operate for shoot.

but please, go on and be willfully obtuse to prove some point about Giannis and Davis being equals or whatever it is you think you are doing.



Lester Earl
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He’s not a fricking perimeter player. My god.



Watch the games & stop looking at basketball reference


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lsusportsman2
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re: Would you trade Davis for Anteokounemko?
If AD is ever healthy, then I choose him. If he's not give me Greek Freak.


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