re: Would you trade Davis for Anteokounemko?

I’m 100% would make the trade, Davis will never, ever be the central point on a champion team. He is soft, not a leader and doesn’t make people around him better. Want proof, look at AD led teams we have had, and it won’t change. I trade him all day for the Greek and obviously ask for more but I would take my chances with Boogie(if he resigned) and the Greek over this shite we have now. It’s not working nor will ever work especially with this dumb arse coach we have.

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We should’ve drafted him

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In a perfect world
2012:
- Draft Evan Fournier instead of Austin Rivers.

2013: still suck enough to get a 10ish pick
- Don't trade for Jrue
- Don't trade for Tyreke
- Draft Giannis

2014: improvement, but year 1 giannis was ok. Needs a PG.
- Draft Zach Lavine

2015: might have been a playoff team, lets just say sure
- Re-sign Davis, Lopez
- Draft Bobby Portis

2016: likely a playoff team again, continue to build on the youth
- Re-sign Fournier
- Re-sign Gordon
- Trade pick for whatever you want Dell

2017: another year another bounce, but this team is deadly
- Sign Rondo
- Sign Miller

PG: Rondo, Lavine
SG: Fournier, Gordon
SF: Giannis, Miller
PF: Davis, Portis, Cunningham
C: Lopez, Ajinca, Diallo

Top 5 in $$:
AD: 25.4mil
GA: 25.0mil
EF: 17.0mil
RL: 13.5mil
EG: 13.2mil

At this point, not even in the tax

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because he can't generate efficient offense as a creator. as we have seen the last 2 seasons.

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What the frick are you looking at to come to this conclusion? Davis is a vastly improved passer this season. How many bigs do you think can make that pass vs. Mil where Davis jumped in the air and frozen roped a no-look(ish) pass from the left elbow to the right corner? You're taking a lack of opportunity and applying your own opinion because Davis has zero chance to prove your opinion wrong based on how the offense runs. We'll discount all the individual improvements seen in glimpses when opportunity arises to bull through our point. Want to discuss how Davis has developed a slight fade on his jumper this year? Want to compare someone to Kevin Durant? Go watch an Anthony Davis jumper this year side by side with KD's. Both are just silk. There's no hitch from the catch to the shot. Both are nearly impossible to get a hand on or disrupt.

But here's this guy averaging 4.5 APG that the offense flows through and let's start comparing him to other passing wings in the league. Seeing him in person as opposed to TV, I was surprised at a) how freaking massive he was and b) how uncomfortable he was outside of 10ish feet.

So, yes, Greek Freak is no more a wing than Davis is, a player who actually, get this, actually operates from the wing and doesn't just throw up shots because the defense actually WANTS Greek Freak to play out in that area

Lester, you can't even be bothered to jump from Yahoo! box scores to basketball reference, don't even bother hopping in acting like you've seen more than a yahoo! game recap of Greek Freak.

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honestly, just come out and say you think Davis is better than Giannis and save us all the bullshite. it's not a hot take. that's fine, but whatever you're trying to do here is exhausting. good luck with the rest of the thread.

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you're using points in the paint to describe why Giannis is a wing and you're calling my argument bullshite? Dude fricking blows outside 15+. Calling Giannis a PF and not a wing is not a fricking hot take. You're defending his being a wing to the death is actually the opinion that goes against the grain, not mine.

Didn't once say Davis was better. I made a statement about Giannis being as much of a wing as Davis and you got your panties in a bunch and went apeshit. Again, YOUR opinion is the outlier. Not mine.

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i see the problem here; you can't read

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Driving and finishing at the rim does not count as points in the paint?

This is dumb corn. Giannis is a 4, and I merely pointed that out by making a cheeky remark about him being as much of a wing as AD because they both have some qualities that a wing in the NBA would have, but neither are SFs. Honestly, I'm kind of surprised something so small got under your skin this much, but whatever man.

I'd take Giannis because he's more durable and built to withstand the rigors of the NBA season. I think Davis is a more well rounded NBA player though.

ETA: FWIW pretty funny to act like you're taking the high road and slinging personal insults along the way.

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Driving and finishing at the rim does not count as points in the paint?

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obviously

the key point you missed is that drives/game is a category dominated by guards/primary ball handlers (Irving, Wall, LeBron, Harden, etc) who all "operate" on the perimeter. that Giannis rates so highly there (he, Cousins- who had a Mahoney article on his newfound guard skills- and Griffin are the only "bigs" in the top 50 drives/game) is indicative that he can do damage on the perimeter, like a traditional guard/wing, even without a jumper as good as Davis's.

again, for example, Giannis takes 57% of his shots at the rim. Davis takes 45%. Giannis is assisted on 45% , Davis on 71%. and to toss the outlier in there, LeBron is at 49% and 30% respectively. some of the difference between Giannis/Davis is on the system, to be sure. but much of that is also just Giannis. and this is not a knock on Davis at all.

Giannis's shot profile is one of a guy who is a "big" but how you get those shots matters too. yes, he posts up like a traditional big. he also gets the ball on the perimeter and takes his defender to the hole, like a traditional wing/guard.

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This is dumb corn

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i agree. have said so in most posts here. labeling Giannis anything is a waste of time. on both sides of the ball he does things bigs do. on both sides of the ball he does things guards do. why does putting a position on him actually matter?

same thing with Davis. he is more traditional big than Giannis in my mind, but his ability to break that mold makes a two big system work. if he and Cousins couldn't hold their own on the perimeter either via shooting or ball handling, then this team probably doesnt work. and Davis has made tremendous strides as a shooter/passer/dribbler. the Eurostep he dropped a few weeks back was mouthwatering, but he hasnt shown those types of moves enough on a regular basis yet.

I went to downvote you but I already had. Must have hit it back in December.

Oh boy

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Giannis is murdering it at SF this series. Oh wait. Dudes playing PF/C almost exclusively

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lol. I know you're doing your heel turn here but....


according to nba.com, he's averaging 13 drives per game in the playoffs (2 less that Simmons, Rondo, CP3 and ahead of Dragic, Mitchell, Rubio, League, and Lowry) and 1 post up per game (the same as CP3 and 3 less than big man Klay Thompson). Davis is at 4 drives and 4 post ups per game.

the entire point of small ball is to get more shooting to open up the lane for drives. for the Bucks the driver they want to help also happens to be the guy they will slide to the 5

Keep doubling down on this stupid take. Giannis isn’t a wing.