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re: Why the disrespect from pundits on Pels this year?
Posted on 9/22/18 at 8:39 am to cfontenot4
Posted on 9/22/18 at 8:39 am to cfontenot4
Your exactly right! This is why I’m also not 100% committed to the NBA. This stuff gets exhausting! Like every player not playing in the LA, New York, or Boston wants to play there. Like they can’t afford to visit there.
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Posted on 9/22/18 at 8:57 am to Mad Scientist26
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This is why I’m also not 100% committed to the NBA.
You're posting to a message board in the offseason, so you're like 99% committed then?
Posted on 9/22/18 at 9:11 am to irvchilichill1
The emergence of Evil Jrue at the end of the seaon was huge. Then you had AD and the beardless Mirotic take huge steps forward after the all-star break.
All of that should make us a better team and we added Randle and improved depth on the team. I would expect the team to be formidible to start the season.
All of that should make us a better team and we added Randle and improved depth on the team. I would expect the team to be formidible to start the season.
Posted on 9/22/18 at 9:31 am to TeddyPadillac
Sometimes, Pundits are just trying to seem more serious by being critical.
Posted on 9/22/18 at 9:44 am to VOR
Probably because we refused to address our biggest weakness. SF. It will be the same as last year. Who guards KD, LeBron, George, Mitchell? And don't come for me saying Jrue. Remember him trying to guard KD in the playoffs? We have the best front court in the league imo. Jrue is lockdown defender when guarding players his size but if the plan is to go with 3 guards like we did last year then we are screwed. I don't understand how this franchise has neglected the SF position for so many years.. At this point it's just embarrassing.. I still feel like we should go get Rodney Hood. He has decent size and can create for himself. Is he an all nba defender? No but is he better than Soloman Hill? Yes by alot. We are a above average SF away from being special.
Posted on 9/22/18 at 11:38 am to jw5377
Hood signed back with Cleveland.
Posted on 9/22/18 at 11:52 am to jw5377
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I don't understand how this franchise has neglected the SF position for so many years
They went and signed Hill to a nice size contract. I think they thought he was going to be the type of role player they needed.
Also there aren’t that many SFs out there to guard these elite wibgs out there. If we had an elite wing then we would be hearing people say we need a player like Holiday to guard the smaller quick players or elite depth to protect AD from getting worn down and hurt.
There are only two teams that really have everything and that is the Warriors and Celtics. The Warriors got lucky because they are in a bug market with certain companies funneling them exterior business opportunities, the league screwed up cap smoothing, they hit home runs on their draft positions, and Curry got hurt early in his career aligning some cheap contracts. The Celtics have managed draft picks well and the Nets stupidly gave them a bunch of 1st round draft picks and swaps which will never be matched probably again in the future NBA.
This post was edited on 9/22/18 at 11:56 am
Posted on 9/22/18 at 12:17 pm to irvchilichill1
If EP plays decent D and is effective with the ball in his hands the Pels are going to win 50+ games this year and host a playoff series.
AD/Jrue combo is the best duo in he NBA outside of KD/Steph. The NBA is on mother F'ing notice, sons.
AD/Jrue combo is the best duo in he NBA outside of KD/Steph. The NBA is on mother F'ing notice, sons.
Posted on 9/22/18 at 3:24 pm to Colonel Flagg
Agreed with everything you said! 6’7-6’9 all star wings don’t go on trees
Posted on 9/22/18 at 4:55 pm to VOR
those guys are not to be taken seriously.
that said, there are some things we should be honest about:
1) the difference between seeds 3-9/10 in the west was microscopic last year. 3 wins separated Portland and Denver. Portland had the lowest Net Rating (+1.9) of any playoff team in the West yet was the 3 seed. 3 seeds normally are higher than that
2) the west looks to be that competitive again this year. while the Wolves are imploding and the Rockets may come down some from their heights last year, but Millsap is healthy, Conley is healthy (will it last?), Melos is out, and LeBron is in the west
3) if the Pels get to 48-50 wins again, it shouldnt be seen as failure, regardless of seed. as we all saw, seeds don't matter when it's this tight. all about matchups and staying away from GS as long as possible.
+ positive media coverage best frontcourts in the west
that said, there are some things we should be honest about:
1) the difference between seeds 3-9/10 in the west was microscopic last year. 3 wins separated Portland and Denver. Portland had the lowest Net Rating (+1.9) of any playoff team in the West yet was the 3 seed. 3 seeds normally are higher than that
2) the west looks to be that competitive again this year. while the Wolves are imploding and the Rockets may come down some from their heights last year, but Millsap is healthy, Conley is healthy (will it last?), Melos is out, and LeBron is in the west
3) if the Pels get to 48-50 wins again, it shouldnt be seen as failure, regardless of seed. as we all saw, seeds don't matter when it's this tight. all about matchups and staying away from GS as long as possible.
+ positive media coverage best frontcourts in the west
Posted on 9/23/18 at 10:14 am to corndeaux
You say this
And then say this
But if you want to stay away from GSW for as long as possible we need a higher seed. So seeds do matter.
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seeds don't matter when it's this tight.
And then say this
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all about matchups and staying away from GS as long as possible.
But if you want to stay away from GSW for as long as possible we need a higher seed. So seeds do matter.
Posted on 9/23/18 at 10:44 am to Hazelnut
It took AD how many years to get the amount of national TV games we get this year? 6? That’s part of it.
The other part is I suspect the playoffs do not go into these equations on these sites with analytics. I could be wrong but I’d be shocked if the playoffs came into play when projecting regular season win shares. Pelicans fans have seen what this team can be while the computers are just ignoring, rightfully so, when projecting regular season wins.
Further, they take Cousins who is a very good stat stuffer for our “before injury last year” and remove him from the equation. Rondo is probably less significant, but he did play much better late in the year.
They want us to fail in the media. They’re fair when we’re good, but they’re like vultures circling us when we suck.
I also suspect the shitty metrics of Elfrid Payton are dragging down our advanced stats a little.
Projecting 40 wins is a little surprising though no matter what.
I’m really intrigued to see what the East vs West standings are this year. Even the West bottom dwellers are potential low playoff seeds in the East. Would anyone be shocked if Phoenix made the 8th seed out East?
The other part is I suspect the playoffs do not go into these equations on these sites with analytics. I could be wrong but I’d be shocked if the playoffs came into play when projecting regular season win shares. Pelicans fans have seen what this team can be while the computers are just ignoring, rightfully so, when projecting regular season wins.
Further, they take Cousins who is a very good stat stuffer for our “before injury last year” and remove him from the equation. Rondo is probably less significant, but he did play much better late in the year.
They want us to fail in the media. They’re fair when we’re good, but they’re like vultures circling us when we suck.
I also suspect the shitty metrics of Elfrid Payton are dragging down our advanced stats a little.
Projecting 40 wins is a little surprising though no matter what.
I’m really intrigued to see what the East vs West standings are this year. Even the West bottom dwellers are potential low playoff seeds in the East. Would anyone be shocked if Phoenix made the 8th seed out East?
Posted on 9/23/18 at 10:54 am to corndeaux
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seeds don't matter when it's this tight. all about matchups and staying away from GS as long as possible.
this right here
avoiding GSW (purely by chance/luck BTW) is at least half of your chances of advancing
Posted on 9/23/18 at 10:57 am to Hazelnut
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But if you want to stay away from GSW for as long as possible we need a higher seed. So seeds do matter.
last year only the 1-seed was gtd to avoid GS till the end.
GS will be one or two again, after that it doesn’t matter
unless you are saying the pels need the 1 or 2 seed, which in that case certainly would matter. If they by some effort overtake the rockets, well then bring GSW the frick on and let’s get to it
This post was edited on 9/23/18 at 10:59 am
Posted on 9/23/18 at 11:38 am to Hazelnut
let's try this a different way:
1) everyone loses to GS. you can only stave off the inevitable for so long. seeing them later is better, but you have to get past other teams first, right?
2) teams 3-9 in the west are all of roughly equal quality and how far those teams advance (to meet their doom v GS) is much more about their own matchups.
3) yes, seeds matter. but, in my opinion, not in the way several posts were proposing i.e. a higher seed means you are a better team. it could be the case that a lower seed might increase your odds of advancing in the playoffs (to eventually lose to GS).
for example:
do you think Portland is thrilled about being a 3 seed last year? how much did that seed matter?
ps- also- fun/terrifying hypothetical: what if the Pels end up as the 4 seed and face a much less favorable matchup v Utah? do they get out of the 1st round, much less dominate a series and capture the league's imagination? does a 1st round loss make them more likely to bring Cousins back? etc etc etc etc....razor thin margins here that have huge consequences
1) everyone loses to GS. you can only stave off the inevitable for so long. seeing them later is better, but you have to get past other teams first, right?
2) teams 3-9 in the west are all of roughly equal quality and how far those teams advance (to meet their doom v GS) is much more about their own matchups.
3) yes, seeds matter. but, in my opinion, not in the way several posts were proposing i.e. a higher seed means you are a better team. it could be the case that a lower seed might increase your odds of advancing in the playoffs (to eventually lose to GS).
for example:
do you think Portland is thrilled about being a 3 seed last year? how much did that seed matter?
ps- also- fun/terrifying hypothetical: what if the Pels end up as the 4 seed and face a much less favorable matchup v Utah? do they get out of the 1st round, much less dominate a series and capture the league's imagination? does a 1st round loss make them more likely to bring Cousins back? etc etc etc etc....razor thin margins here that have huge consequences
Posted on 9/23/18 at 11:57 am to irvchilichill1
Pels are not a complete team.
1. 3 and d small forward?
2. Light in point guard. Frank?
3. Randle, while a very nice "1956" PF, was worst 3 pt shooter imaginable.
Posted on 9/23/18 at 1:53 pm to irvchilichill1
Never . . . Ever count out the Spurs. That’s always a mistake.
Posted on 9/23/18 at 2:00 pm to dj30
I’m hoping Payton is as good as many of you think him to be. I’m not 100% sure. at all.
Posted on 9/23/18 at 5:18 pm to corndeaux
It's because of the strength of the West
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