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re: Why the Chet hate?
Posted on 5/15/22 at 10:33 am to GynoSandberg
Posted on 5/15/22 at 10:33 am to GynoSandberg
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I think that is pretty spot on on how they’ll use him
At some point someone besides JV is going to need to guard a center. I'm not saying don't draft Chet over that issue, you always go BPA, but if Chet ends up being more PF than C, we already have Zion, and it's hard to see where Chet would get starter minutes from until he (or Zion) was up to guarding other bigs.
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Posted on 5/15/22 at 10:46 am to TigerinATL
How's that any different than Smith or banchero? Both are projected '4's and while both are a bit bulky, idk if they can handle elite centers either.
If we didn't have zion the answer is easily Smith or banchero to establish your "4" spot.
If we didn't have zion the answer is easily Smith or banchero to establish your "4" spot.
Posted on 5/15/22 at 10:49 am to TigerinATL
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but if Chet ends up being more PF than C, we already have Zion, and it's hard to see where Chet would get starter minutes from until he (or Zion) was up to guarding other bigs.
These guys are easily paired in a lineup together. Neither are traditional in the sense of PF or C. That’s not how lineups are made any more
Posted on 5/15/22 at 11:09 am to htran90
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How's that any different than Smith or banchero? Both are projected '4's and while both are a bit bulky, idk if they can handle elite centers either.
If we didn't have zion the answer is easily Smith or banchero to establish your "4" spot.
Banchero is still my guy, he’s too special offensively. I just can’t pass that up. 6’10” 250 with a 7’1” wingspan at 19, he should be more than big enough and strong enough to handle size inside. He has some question marks defensively, but they’re almost all to do with his motor, and if you believe Willie can get anyone to buy in, he should be good on that end.
Posted on 5/15/22 at 11:55 am to TigerinATL
The best scenario for Chet would be to sit behind Valanciunas and slowly bulk up while earning minutes as the season progresses.
You don’t draft the kid to throw him into the fire from day 1. That’s asking for failure. He just needs to focus on being a center and play Val out of the lineup as he develops physically. We are in a luxury position as we don’t have any real immediate need so Chet would come into an environment that allow him to develop properly. Whether we take him as the top pick is another story.
You don’t draft the kid to throw him into the fire from day 1. That’s asking for failure. He just needs to focus on being a center and play Val out of the lineup as he develops physically. We are in a luxury position as we don’t have any real immediate need so Chet would come into an environment that allow him to develop properly. Whether we take him as the top pick is another story.
Posted on 5/15/22 at 12:19 pm to supe12sta12z
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The best scenario for Chet would be to sit behind Valanciunas and slowly bulk up while earning minutes as the season progresses
Come again? You realize how long that would take for him to add the amount of weight to be able to bang down low with guys like Val? We’re in win now mode so you’re not spending that type of draft capital on a guy if you’re going to basically mothball him.
The best thing is what many other posters a page or two back said, so I won’t repost it.
This post was edited on 5/15/22 at 12:21 pm
Posted on 5/15/22 at 12:28 pm to Sweep Da Leg
Yea, we have time. JV is under contract for a couple more years. Expecting a rookie to play more than 20 minutes a game is pretty unrealistic the way the roster is constructed. The only guy that I can imagine playing upwards of 25 minutes as a rookie is Banchero since he can play with both Zion and JV at the 4/5.
Posted on 5/15/22 at 12:54 pm to supe12sta12z
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The only guy that I can imagine playing upwards of 25 minutes as a rookie is Banchero since he can play with both Zion and JV at the 4/5.
I reckon Chet and Jabari smith are better equipped to play next to Zion and JV than Banchero
Posted on 5/15/22 at 1:02 pm to GynoSandberg
I would not get the fit next to Zion for Banchero at all. Would make very little sense.
If the top 5 guys (I’m including Sharpe), PB makes the least sense for me.
If the top 5 guys (I’m including Sharpe), PB makes the least sense for me.
Posted on 5/15/22 at 1:20 pm to Fun Bunch
I mean if we were sitting at 3 and Banchero was there, I’d run to the podium. But I agree, he and Zion do a lot of the same things well. Defensively it would get kind of sticky next to JV and Zion. Jabari/Chet with Zion would be deadly on transition. One grabs the board and goes
Is there a reason Chet can’t be deployed similar to the way Ingram is used?
Is there a reason Chet can’t be deployed similar to the way Ingram is used?
Posted on 5/15/22 at 1:38 pm to Lester Earl
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These guys are easily paired in a lineup together. Neither are traditional in the sense of PF or C. That’s not how lineups are made any more
Someone still has to guard the other teams big and rebound.
Sure you want your 7ft player to be able to space when needed but unless Chet revolutionizes the way basketball is played, 7fters standing on the parameter 90% of the time is bad for your team. We hear it every time Embid, Towns, AD etc etc start hanging on the outside too much. We scream for them to go down low and use their size.
and just like Towns, we saw what happens in the playoffs when a big stays on the outside too much, they just put a smaller guy on him, that's way quicker and would be stronger in this instance, and effectively takes him out of the game.
this isn't hard.
This post was edited on 5/15/22 at 1:51 pm
Posted on 5/15/22 at 2:09 pm to The_Duke
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We hear it every time Embid, Towns, AD etc etc start hanging on the outside too much. We scream for them to go down low and use their size.
Brether if these are the names that we are going to throw around, I’m taking it. All Nba guys, mvp’s ‘ world champions? C’mon
Holmgren will be a 40% 3pt guy who can handle & pass. If he lands on the Pels he is a 4th option at best for the next few years. And unlike some of the guys at the top of the draft will not be malcontent about that.
He can focus on the little things and not have to put a ton of pressure on himself. If he is just a stretch big the first few years that is ok. Even if that is all he ever is, that floor is super valuable.
Posted on 5/15/22 at 2:28 pm to Lester Earl
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Brether, if these are the names that we will throw around, I’m taking it. All Nba guys, MVP's ‘ world champions?
No, I used those names as one instance of the floor spacing big concept that still going around for some reason. That concept was a great analytical ideal that has never really panned out in the league. All of those players are better and have the ability to play down low--them stretching the floor is just part of their game. Not their entire game. Also, all of those players would be guys that Chet cant guard.
If Chet was the 10-15th pick overall--sure you take a flyer on him and see if it pans out. But if you are a GM that may be fired in the next 2 yrs, you aren't taking him 1-3.
We're talking about hypothetically taking Chet 1 overall. I wouldn't mind him if its 10 etc.
This post was edited on 5/15/22 at 2:35 pm
Posted on 5/15/22 at 2:34 pm to The_Duke
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That concept was a great analytical concept that has never really panned out in the league
Brether, the last 3 title teams have had Brooke Lopez, Anthony Davis & Marc gasol on them, for instance
Shooting(from all positions) is a concept that is not going anywhere
Posted on 5/15/22 at 2:36 pm to Lester Earl
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Brether, the last 3 title teams have had Brooke Lopez, Anthony Davis & Marc gasol on them, for instance
None of those guys are stretch bigs Lopex hasn't hit a three this entire series--they have the ability to stretch when needed but that isn't their game.
Brooke and Marc only added that to their game late in their career. They are also huge guys that bang down low
and AD is terrible % wise shooting the ball. He has flashes of being able to stretch but that isn't his game.
You guys are over-inflating the one possible aspect of Chet's game and believing it's good enough to override his glaring holes. It also happens to be the one aspect of his game that isn't beneficial for Centers if that's all they can do.
This post was edited on 5/15/22 at 2:47 pm
Posted on 5/15/22 at 2:40 pm to Lester Earl
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Brether if these are the names that we are going to throw around, I’m taking it. All Nba guys, mvp’s ‘ world champions? C’mon
Those guys are great because floor spacing ISNT their main game--it's only part of their game. All of the other bigs whose main thing is floor spacing have not worked out in the league.
Floor spacing has to be great to have as a complementary piece of your core game--it can be your only thing as a 7fter.
This post was edited on 5/15/22 at 2:43 pm
Posted on 5/15/22 at 2:44 pm to The_Duke
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None of those guys are stretch bigs--
I’m curious as to what you define a stretch big as lol
You are talking kinda crazy now, considering all the big guys who still can’t & won’t shoot 3’s at all..I’m just curious how you separate them. Because 4 3PA a game is far away from zero
Posted on 5/15/22 at 2:49 pm to Lester Earl
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I’m curious as to what you define a stretch big as l
They aren't stretch bigs in the sense that you guys believe that stretching the floor is their main role.
Lopez hasn't hit a 3 in 7 games (just hit his first one as we are typing lol)--you believe Chet will be a 3pt specialist as a big. No big plays like that and the guy's ppl brought into the league who thought would play that role, haven't panned out.
Your bigs need to be able to play down low and have the ability to stretch when needed. Stretching cant be their only thing.
great article on this here--stretch bigs in the league arent a thing and drafting a big #1 and that being his only skill is just a waste.
The myth of the stretch big
This post was edited on 5/15/22 at 2:53 pm
Posted on 5/15/22 at 2:55 pm to The_Duke
I didn’t say it will be his only thing. He just doesn’t have to dominate the ball like Joel Embiid.
I mean solely on offense, there are a ton. Brether, why do you think guys like Lopez, gasol, horford all of a sudden took up 3pt shooting if it wasn’t an important role for them? It has keep them relevant longer than they would have been
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They aren't stretch bigs in the sense that you guys believe that stretching the floor is their main role.
I mean solely on offense, there are a ton. Brether, why do you think guys like Lopez, gasol, horford all of a sudden took up 3pt shooting if it wasn’t an important role for them? It has keep them relevant longer than they would have been
Posted on 5/15/22 at 3:02 pm to Lester Earl
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I mean solely on offense, there are a ton. Brether, why do you think guys like Lopez, gasol, horford all of a sudden took up 3pt shooting if it wasn’t an important role for them? It has keep them relevant longer than they would have been
Again, and again--shooting or "stretching" the floor is a part of their game--It isn't their main game. Chet's main game would be shooting from three---he cant go down low because he weighs 190lbs.
if he's there at 8 for us to draft, sure take a shot. At 1-3, no way unless I'm a GM that has job security for the next 5 yrs
This post was edited on 5/15/22 at 3:06 pm
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