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re: What kind of king's ransom can we get for Zion if we traded him this off season?
Posted on 6/17/21 at 6:10 pm to BowDownToLSU
Posted on 6/17/21 at 6:10 pm to BowDownToLSU
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Posted on 6/17/21 at 6:13 pm to BowDownToLSU
quote:I didn't want to debate this because it's pointless, but I was talking with a buddy today about how any team would love to get Zion but if you're trading for him this offseason, it's going to take so many players and/or picks, Zion would almost definitely be going to a team that is either worse or not much better and then depleted of draft assets, and it would be hard to argue he would be in a better position.
What kind of king's ransom can we get for Zion if we traded him this off season?
All that being said, we used Tatum as the hypothetical. So again, just purely hypothetical, what would a Zion for Tatum deal look like? He was saying it would be nearly equal and maybe a little more from Boston, but I felt like they'd owe us a good bit more, what do you bros think?
Posted on 6/17/21 at 6:14 pm to shel311
Tatum is better than Zion at this point
By quite a bit
By quite a bit
Posted on 6/17/21 at 6:20 pm to SammyTiger
Based on interviews and on court demeanor. Cade will be an a plus leader in this league. It’s debatable Zion will ever get there. It’s also tough to get people to follow you when you are 30 pounds overweight and barely try on defense.
Posted on 6/17/21 at 6:27 pm to Pelefraan 1
quote:That's not the right question.
Tatum is better than Zion at this point
By quite a bit
There's a 2+ year age gap between the 2. The question is what would Zion look like at 23...
Also, Tatum was 16 and 6 at the age of 20. Zion as 27ppg on 61% shooting at 20, something never done in the history of the NBA.
I'm confident that Zion has more value. Best way I view it is Tatum has potential to become a top 8 or so player. Zion is basically a lock to get there, as early as next season at 21 years old.
Posted on 6/17/21 at 6:30 pm to 3PieceSpicy
Lots of emotional takes in this thread. I am embarrassed for several of you.
Cade is good. Is Cade a team player? I am always concerned when a top player goes to a bum squad. He was the only good player and he got to be the singular star...at the expense of really winning. It doesnt mean he isnt a team first/winning first kind of guy but it increases the chances.
Cade is good. Is Cade a team player? I am always concerned when a top player goes to a bum squad. He was the only good player and he got to be the singular star...at the expense of really winning. It doesnt mean he isnt a team first/winning first kind of guy but it increases the chances.
Posted on 6/17/21 at 6:31 pm to 3PieceSpicy
quote:
I’d call up whoever wins the lottery and start with the number 1 pick. Hate to say it, but Cade seems to be more of a natural leader than Z and his game fits today’s nba better. He’s a combo between Ben Simmons defensively and Luka offensively
My God the board is already down on the franchise player who seems to break a new record every time he steps on the court.
Posted on 6/17/21 at 6:37 pm to iwyLSUiwy
This is a trade thread. I didn’t make it. I just replied to it. Go watch some Cade interviews and you will see why he’s a great replacement. And to the guy who is down on him for going to OK State, I believe he is from there or something and it’s not a bad thing that he was able to elevate that crappy program to an actual winner this year. That’s exactly the type of player we need on the Pels.
Trading for a rookie scale guy is the only thing that would return equal value. Otherwise we are having to add bad salary (adams and bled) to the deal which ultimately devalues the package we’d get in return.
Trading for a rookie scale guy is the only thing that would return equal value. Otherwise we are having to add bad salary (adams and bled) to the deal which ultimately devalues the package we’d get in return.
This post was edited on 6/17/21 at 6:42 pm
Posted on 6/17/21 at 6:43 pm to iwyLSUiwy
quote:It's not good
My God the board is already down on the franchise player who seems to break a new record every time he steps on the court.
Posted on 6/17/21 at 6:44 pm to 3PieceSpicy
quote:Huge difference between judging what you think his value is and saying "I'd trade him right now if I could"
This is a trade thread. I didn’t make it. I just replied to it.
Posted on 6/17/21 at 6:45 pm to 3PieceSpicy
quote:
This is a trade thread. I didn’t make it. I just replied to it. Go watch some Cade interviews and you will see what I’m talking about.
I know plenty about him. He should be really good. But I wasn't saying it was bad to reply to the post, but...
quote:
but Cade seems to be more of a natural leader than Z and his game fits today’s nba better
That's actually a preference and a knock on Zion, not a "if I had to" answer. Zion had more hype than any player coming into the NBA, more than LeBron, and he has more than lived up to it. But somehow a guy that hasn't played a single game in the NBA is better suited to today's NBA? Gtfo with that man.
This post was edited on 6/17/21 at 6:50 pm
Posted on 6/17/21 at 6:47 pm to TigerinATL
quote:
If you trade him it's definitely dead.
I may not be correct, but supposedly it can still be had if a player is traded from his original team within the first 4 years…..
Posted on 6/17/21 at 6:52 pm to Long_Time_Lurker
I’d entertain Cade Cunningham and Jalen Suggs for Zion.
Posted on 6/17/21 at 6:56 pm to 3PieceSpicy
That was a big time edit there 
Took out the Cade is a better leader and better suited for today's NBA than Zion.
Zion is 20 years old and dominating. Straight dominating, I don't have to tell that, you know that. Who cares if it's in a different way than someone would prefer?
That's a typical Facebook troll "Lol zion can't make a 3 to save his life" outlook. You're better than that. If he's the most efficient scorer in the NBA and is only going to get better, why in the hell would I want him to starting taking more shots that are less efficient just bc that's what today's game is?
His game is perfectly suited for the NBA, it's just not what a bunch of 19 year olds like.
Took out the Cade is a better leader and better suited for today's NBA than Zion.
Zion is 20 years old and dominating. Straight dominating, I don't have to tell that, you know that. Who cares if it's in a different way than someone would prefer?
That's a typical Facebook troll "Lol zion can't make a 3 to save his life" outlook. You're better than that. If he's the most efficient scorer in the NBA and is only going to get better, why in the hell would I want him to starting taking more shots that are less efficient just bc that's what today's game is?
His game is perfectly suited for the NBA, it's just not what a bunch of 19 year olds like.
Posted on 6/17/21 at 6:59 pm to JustinT37
OKC would pretty much be the only team with the assets required to trade for him.
It would look like:
Zion
Bledsoe
Adams
For
SGA
7-8 1st rounders, including the Houston ones
Anything less, wouldn't even entertain it
It would look like:
Zion
Bledsoe
Adams
For
SGA
7-8 1st rounders, including the Houston ones
Anything less, wouldn't even entertain it
Posted on 6/17/21 at 7:18 pm to Soggymoss
I will bite
set the stage
1. zion is not playing serious defense and i suspect hes Never going to play serious defense. between the lower body injuries, never getting in fit shape hes either afraid or advised to chill.
2. hes not good ft shooter.
3. he never uses normal jumper form.
sure I trade him at the height of his marketability today. before next leg injury hip injury foot injury.
I'd like to dump bledsoe in the deal.
depending on who gets top picks.
I will deal there if they have future #1s and a pg.
set the stage
1. zion is not playing serious defense and i suspect hes Never going to play serious defense. between the lower body injuries, never getting in fit shape hes either afraid or advised to chill.
2. hes not good ft shooter.
3. he never uses normal jumper form.
sure I trade him at the height of his marketability today. before next leg injury hip injury foot injury.
I'd like to dump bledsoe in the deal.
depending on who gets top picks.
I will deal there if they have future #1s and a pg.
This post was edited on 6/17/21 at 7:22 pm
Posted on 6/17/21 at 7:20 pm to iwyLSUiwy
To be fair, my edit was adding sentences about Cade, not taking anything out.
I stand by my better leader assessment. I’m not running away from that. I think Cade will be elite in that regard.
And Before today the only guy I wouldve entertained trading Zion for was Luka.
Today is a different day. If the guy is truly unhappy and cant handle 2 subpar seasons in the nba, I’m okay with resetting the clock and moving him for someone like Cade. The risk with waiting is, Zion gets injured next year and potential trade offers get worse. You also can’t guarantee someone like Cade would be available. I’m not too well versed on the 22 and 23 classes.
I love Zion. I truly do. I have about 5k into his basketball trading cards. I watch every pels game to watch him play and I watch every interview he does.
And yes he’s a dominant scorer, but we aren’t necessarily certain if his style translates to wins yet the way a 3 pt shooting point guard does.
I wouldn’t be broken up about trading him right now. We would get peak value and it would be less stressful as a fan. We wouldn’t have to constantly live in fear anymore. If the writing is on the wall already, it does no good to keep putting a thin coat of paint over it, the writing is still on the wall and will resurface in due time.
I stand by my better leader assessment. I’m not running away from that. I think Cade will be elite in that regard.
And Before today the only guy I wouldve entertained trading Zion for was Luka.
Today is a different day. If the guy is truly unhappy and cant handle 2 subpar seasons in the nba, I’m okay with resetting the clock and moving him for someone like Cade. The risk with waiting is, Zion gets injured next year and potential trade offers get worse. You also can’t guarantee someone like Cade would be available. I’m not too well versed on the 22 and 23 classes.
I love Zion. I truly do. I have about 5k into his basketball trading cards. I watch every pels game to watch him play and I watch every interview he does.
And yes he’s a dominant scorer, but we aren’t necessarily certain if his style translates to wins yet the way a 3 pt shooting point guard does.
I wouldn’t be broken up about trading him right now. We would get peak value and it would be less stressful as a fan. We wouldn’t have to constantly live in fear anymore. If the writing is on the wall already, it does no good to keep putting a thin coat of paint over it, the writing is still on the wall and will resurface in due time.
Posted on 6/17/21 at 7:28 pm to 3PieceSpicy
well said 3piece spicy
same as my intuition re possible injury only with a personal touch.
I watched him practice shooting.
CLUELESS. and I think he is afraid as we are that he breaks down.
he was shooting from 8 to 10 feet with zero lift.
incredibly incompetent coaching or he is really delicate.
I go with most likely that coach knows almost as much as I do about shooting mechanics so its door #2. hes not allowed to do jumpers.
imagine that. if so.
same as my intuition re possible injury only with a personal touch.
I watched him practice shooting.
CLUELESS. and I think he is afraid as we are that he breaks down.
he was shooting from 8 to 10 feet with zero lift.
incredibly incompetent coaching or he is really delicate.
I go with most likely that coach knows almost as much as I do about shooting mechanics so its door #2. hes not allowed to do jumpers.
imagine that. if so.
Posted on 6/19/21 at 12:44 pm to TigerinATL
quote:
The supermax is still in play. If you trade him it's definitely dead. He doesn't want to be traded at this point, he wants the team to get its shite together, which isn't that crazy of an ask.
That makes more sense. What about the Pelicans sending a package that includes Lonzo Ball, Nickeil Alexander-Walker, Jaxson Hayes, a 2021 first-round pick, a 2022 first-round pick, a 2023 first-round pick, and the right to swap first-round selections in 2023 to the Trail Blazers in exchange for Damian Lillard?
I saw this proposed on a Blazers site.
Posted on 6/19/21 at 12:53 pm to Jax-Tiger
I’d want to keep Jaxson. Having a vertical lob threat would make Lilliard even more unguardable. Plus, Dame, Z, Ingram all suck on defense. It would be nice to have one guy that can help cover that up here and there.
I like the general idea though. Keeping NAW would be nice though as it would be good to have a tall guard next to Dame. I would definitely give them more picks and Kira if necessary.
I like the general idea though. Keeping NAW would be nice though as it would be good to have a tall guard next to Dame. I would definitely give them more picks and Kira if necessary.
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