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re: What is the max you will offer Boogie to keep him?
Posted on 6/26/18 at 10:49 am to NOFOX
Posted on 6/26/18 at 10:49 am to NOFOX
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To an extent, but there is just so little cap space this summer and most other teams seem to have defined plans for that space going forward while the Mavs supposedly just want to spend to win with Dirk. So it is easier to project players onto the Mavs roster.
Their team is way too young to win anything.
Smart would be a great fit there, because neither Smith Jr or Doncic are known for their defense.
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Posted on 6/26/18 at 11:05 am to Epic Cajun
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Marc Stein @TheSteinLine 16 minutes ago
Among the various options DeAndre Jordan has been weighing, according to league sources, is opting into the final season of his current contract (at $24.1 million) before Friday's midnight deadline to facilitate a trade -- with Dallas, sources say, among the teams interested
One source described a Jordan-to-Dallas trade as a "long shot" ... but the fact it's on the board is the strongest indication yet that the sides are willing to engage again after Jordan's about-face in 2015 free agency when he committed to the Mavs and then went back to the Clips
Posted on 6/26/18 at 11:07 am to Epic Cajun
I think Dallas has a want to get better instantly just for Dirk, but i also think they aren't stupid enough to jeopardize their future for it b/c they aren't going to beat the Warriors, or whatever team Lebron is on.
I don't think they will be a playoff team next year, but i also don't think they are looking to perform at a level that will net them a top 10 pick again.
I could see them signing 1 year deals if they don't get guys they really want.
I just don't see a team out there that wants Cousins for more than what we would offer him at something like 2+1 for $75M.
He's not going to get signed by LA or Dallas, and anyone else that wants him would need to do a S&T. The question should be, would you rather him at 3/$75, or a S&T for a legit SF like Porter or Middleton?
I don't think they will be a playoff team next year, but i also don't think they are looking to perform at a level that will net them a top 10 pick again.
I could see them signing 1 year deals if they don't get guys they really want.
I just don't see a team out there that wants Cousins for more than what we would offer him at something like 2+1 for $75M.
He's not going to get signed by LA or Dallas, and anyone else that wants him would need to do a S&T. The question should be, would you rather him at 3/$75, or a S&T for a legit SF like Porter or Middleton?
Posted on 6/26/18 at 11:16 am to TeddyPadillac
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S&T for a legit SF like Porter or Middleton
All day. Middleton would be ideal. Don't think it's going to happen because the S&T's would probably need a third team involved due to salary matching.
Posted on 6/26/18 at 11:18 am to TeddyPadillac
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I don't think they will be a playoff team next year,
The Mavs should tank. What's the point of trying to win only to finish 11th in the West when they have young guys like Dennis Smith Jr. and Doncic?
If I were them I'd try and find a team that wanted to give Wes Matthews the taxpayer MLE, then buy him out for $5 million less than he's owed this year. I think the Pels would be interested in that.
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The question should be, would you rather him at 3/$75, or a S&T for a legit SF like Porter or Middleton?
Both Jake Madison and Mason/Kumar on the new BSS podcast have said their team sources kind of imply that the locker room was better without Boogie. That seems like an odd thing to leak to the media from an organization that is so secretive, so I don't know how much of that is them reading between the lines but they all seemed to get that impression. If it's true the team may be interested in pulling off a S&T and both Milwaukee and Washington have a semi expendable player we'd want in return and a PG that Boogie would want to go
play with.
*I'm pretty sure Jake has mentioned this too. Sometimes they all blur together.
This post was edited on 6/26/18 at 11:51 am
Posted on 6/26/18 at 11:40 am to brmark70816
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That is just a douche thing to say. I haven't called anybody names or attacked anyone. All I'm doing is discussing something I enjoy and getting different points of view. I'm not high and mighty, declaring that I am right. I'm wrong all the time. Just ignore me if it really bothers you that much. Or keeping calling me names, really doesn't matter..
I'll give boom this... he would never play the victim card.
Posted on 6/26/18 at 12:03 pm to TigerinATL
well i'd gladly take Porter, but i'd rather get something like Middleton and Henson. That would be great.
Dealing with Milwaukee, it's all about how Cousins would affect Giannis. I think having a guy like Cousins that demands a big to get out of the paint to guard him could help open things up for Giannis, who isn't a shooter. no one cares about Henson, or Zeller or Maker.
Dealing with Milwaukee, it's all about how Cousins would affect Giannis. I think having a guy like Cousins that demands a big to get out of the paint to guard him could help open things up for Giannis, who isn't a shooter. no one cares about Henson, or Zeller or Maker.
Posted on 6/26/18 at 12:05 pm to TigerinATL
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The Mavs should tank. What's the point of trying to win only to finish 11th in the West when they have young guys like Dennis Smith Jr. and Doncic?
I have no idea what Dallas is doing. They aren't even close to being a playoff team. They'd need to make multiple moves to even be in the consideration out West. Nice to see Boogie's name not come up though much with them. It's looking more and more possible that we will hold some cards with the S & T option. I actually think George or Lebron option into 1+1s would help as well. I can't see the Lakers blowing their cap space on Boogie.
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Both Jake Madison and Mason/Kumar on the new BSS podcast have said their team sources kind of imply that the locker room was better without Boogie. That seems like an odd thing to leak to the media from an organization that is so secretive
I don't know. They looked really excited to have him around in NOLA during the Portland series. It may very well have been better without Boogie in a vacuum, sure. But we're talking a 7-8 game sample size of the team playing very good basketball with Boogie vs. a 40 game sample size without him playing very good basketball. It could easily just be the winning and have nothing to do with Boogie. But our success last season makes Boogie a piece, not the structure itself. I think that's important here.
Posted on 6/26/18 at 12:16 pm to ShamelessPel
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But our success last season makes Boogie a piece, not the structure itself. I think that's important here.
excellent observation
Posted on 6/26/18 at 12:24 pm to cgrand
I agree.
Winning makes people happy. playing .500 ball when you expect to be better makes people not as happy.
I'd expect that locker room change to have much more to do with winning than with Cousins being there or not.
I'm really fine either way we go, keeping Cousins or a S&T, so long as us keeping him is no greater than 3/75.
Winning makes people happy. playing .500 ball when you expect to be better makes people not as happy.
I'd expect that locker room change to have much more to do with winning than with Cousins being there or not.
I'm really fine either way we go, keeping Cousins or a S&T, so long as us keeping him is no greater than 3/75.
Posted on 6/26/18 at 12:26 pm to TigerinATL
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The Mavs should tank. What's the point of trying to win only to finish 11th in the West when they have young guys like Dennis Smith Jr. and Doncic?
They are not going to tank again and they don’t keep their pick if they don’t, so they are going to try to win while their young guns grow up.
Posted on 6/26/18 at 12:45 pm to NOFOX
The Mavs lose their 2019 pick to Atlanta unless they get a top 5 pick. They'd have to get rid of Barnes and Matthews and get back next to nothing to do that.
I don't think its in Cuban's nature to continue to allow his team to suck arse, especially if done on purpose.
No they aren't going to make the playoffs, but being decent like the Lakers were i think is better than creating a losing environment, and makes it easier to attract FA when they can clearly see your young team is getting better.
Say Phoenix wins 21 games and Dallas wins 35, both with young cores. good FA's are much more likely to choose a team like Dallas than Phoenix or Sacramento.
I don't think its in Cuban's nature to continue to allow his team to suck arse, especially if done on purpose.
No they aren't going to make the playoffs, but being decent like the Lakers were i think is better than creating a losing environment, and makes it easier to attract FA when they can clearly see your young team is getting better.
Say Phoenix wins 21 games and Dallas wins 35, both with young cores. good FA's are much more likely to choose a team like Dallas than Phoenix or Sacramento.
Posted on 6/26/18 at 12:53 pm to TeddyPadillac
To be fair nobody is gonna go to Sacramento, lol but I agree.
How would people feel if we landed Barnes in a s&t with boogie? Hes not perfect, but I think he could fill a role as a 3&D sf/3rd guy. The issue is his cost is what, 2/49m left? Is that too much to spend on a player who's likely to average more or less 15/5/2 and average defense?
How would people feel if we landed Barnes in a s&t with boogie? Hes not perfect, but I think he could fill a role as a 3&D sf/3rd guy. The issue is his cost is what, 2/49m left? Is that too much to spend on a player who's likely to average more or less 15/5/2 and average defense?
This post was edited on 6/26/18 at 12:54 pm
Posted on 6/26/18 at 12:57 pm to htran90
I'd gladly take Barnes, even though i thought Dallas giving him that contract was dumb. He's still not worth it, but he's a good enough player that it's not that big of a deal to have to pay him that for 2 more years.
Don't see why Dallas would do that though. I still don't see why Carlisle would want Cousins.
Don't see why Dallas would do that though. I still don't see why Carlisle would want Cousins.
Posted on 6/26/18 at 1:57 pm to Epic Cajun
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Middleton would be ideal
I honestly think there is a decent chance he can be available at the deadline
They just drafted Donte Diviencenzo, who I think will be really good. Middleton plays the 2/3 for them, so might not be as needed. He will also need a new contract soon. They could look to get rid of him for a draft pick and some expiring contracts.
Posted on 6/26/18 at 2:12 pm to Epic Cajun
If we could convince ATL to come to the table, we could make Porter for Boogie work while also finding a replacement at center in Dedmon. Bazemore replaces Porter in WAS and Mahinmi is offloaded to ATL. I think both WAS and NOP get everything they can to get that deal done, but they need to convince ATL to take on big salaries and play for the future with a combination of draft picks.
Posted on 6/26/18 at 2:15 pm to DeionDeion
Kyle O'Quinn opted out of his deal with the Knicks. If there's no Cousins, he's the perfect 5 to fit with AD. Someone that doesn't need to play heavy minutes, but will without a doubt do all the dirty work for him when needed.
Posted on 6/26/18 at 2:27 pm to CocoLoco
quote:They consider Middleton to be one of their cornerstone players. I do not see him getting traded unless he pushes for it.
I honestly think there is a decent chance he can be available at the deadline
They just drafted Donte Diviencenzo, who I think will be really good. Middleton plays the 2/3 for them, so might not be as needed. He will also need a new contract soon. They could look to get rid of him for a draft pick and some expiring contracts.
Posted on 6/26/18 at 2:56 pm to NOSHAU
I'm wondering if the Cousins injury is going to affect some of these player options slightly. We're talking about a guy that was going to 100% get a max contract likely losing a TON of money after this injury. I wonder if seeing this reality goes into the calculations and conversations between player and agent. Durant has already said he's opting out to get a long term deal.
Posted on 6/26/18 at 3:34 pm to ShamelessPel
I'm sure it will. If the price for an All-Star big like Boogie drops from the max (regardless of injury), the market for other bigs will drop too.
So you look at a guy like DeAndre Jordan who hears rumblings of Boogie potentially getting less than the max and he thinks, with the current market drying up, and the best FA big potentially getting less than the max, how much better of salary can I get than my current $24 mil? Maybe $26?
The risk/reward just isnt there for him. So while the talk of a trade to Dallas might be true, I think it has more to do with the market and I think its the same for other bigs/players in general too
So you look at a guy like DeAndre Jordan who hears rumblings of Boogie potentially getting less than the max and he thinks, with the current market drying up, and the best FA big potentially getting less than the max, how much better of salary can I get than my current $24 mil? Maybe $26?
The risk/reward just isnt there for him. So while the talk of a trade to Dallas might be true, I think it has more to do with the market and I think its the same for other bigs/players in general too
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