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re: What is the max you will offer Boogie to keep him?
Posted on 6/25/18 at 11:37 am to brmark70816
Posted on 6/25/18 at 11:37 am to brmark70816
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There was an understanding that we would give him the biggest deal we could. If they back out now, he'll be slighted.
And if he hadn't torn his Achilles then we're probably talking about how many years he'd get at the Max, not whether he gets the max or not.
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He might have to take the lesser deal. But he won't be happy.
The way the team played after he went down, he needs to beat out Mirotic if he wants to play starters minutes. Once the season starts I really don't think he's going to be pouting about his contract when all of his boys are wanting him to get on the court and help them win.
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Posted on 6/25/18 at 12:01 pm to TigerinATL
This is the same guy that was at Cochella, while the Pelicans were in the playoffs?
Posted on 6/25/18 at 12:03 pm to brmark70816
He wasn’t at Coachella
Posted on 6/25/18 at 1:31 pm to brmark70816
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When they traded for Cousins, they guaranteed him a max contract.
How can you possibly know this?
Posted on 6/25/18 at 1:38 pm to brmark70816
quote:Pure speculation at best on your part. How could you possibly know what was or was not promised?
When they traded for Cousins, they guaranteed him a max contract. That was after the Kings backed out of their offer. There was going to be a big bidding war and he couldn't resign, for the big contract, until aftet this season. There was an understanding that we would give him the biggest deal we could. If they back out now, he'll be slighted. He might have to take the lesser deal. But he won't be happy.
Posted on 6/25/18 at 2:04 pm to NOSHAU
I used to think he was just a dude with extremely weird and/or purposefully divisive opinions.
I'm starting to think its possible he is just a really really good troll that keeps things pretty subtle.
I'm starting to think its possible he is just a really really good troll that keeps things pretty subtle.
Posted on 6/25/18 at 2:14 pm to Fun Bunch
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I'm starting to think its possible he is just a really really good troll that keeps things pretty subtle.
I'm convinced he's a Boom alter.
Posted on 6/25/18 at 2:14 pm to brmark70816
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Why haven't the 76ers, who have over 60M in cap space, reached out to pair up Cousins with Embiid?
i'm thinking tampering and do they even have a gm yet?
Posted on 6/25/18 at 2:47 pm to NOSHAU
I could go back and search through all the old threads. But it was a lock that he was getting the max. When they traded for him, the max was too low and it made no sense for him to sign. So everyone on here said he was guaranteed to get it and they would have given it to him earlier, if they could. Thats not my opinion or speculation, its a fact. He had the max waiting on him.
Now he gets injured and people want to cut his money or the number of years. Cousins isn't going to like it and if they do it, he is going to say that they lied. He'll be right. The offer was laying on the table for over a year and they yanked it.
Now he gets injured and people want to cut his money or the number of years. Cousins isn't going to like it and if they do it, he is going to say that they lied. He'll be right. The offer was laying on the table for over a year and they yanked it.
Posted on 6/25/18 at 2:52 pm to brmark70816
quote:Had he not gotten injured, he was pretty much a lock for a max deal. However, that is far from being "promised" a max as you put it. Things change and an achilles injury is about as big a change as there can be for a big man.
I could go back and search through all the old threads. But it was a lock that he was getting the max. When they traded for him, the max was too low and it made no sense for him to sign. So everyone on here said he was guaranteed to get it and they would have given it to him earlier, if they could. Thats not my opinion or speculation, its a fact. He had the max waiting on him.
Now he gets injured and people want to cut his money or the number of years. Cousins isn't going to like it and if they do it, he is going to say that they lied. He'll be right. The offer was laying on the table for over a year and they yanked it.
Posted on 6/25/18 at 3:05 pm to brmark70816
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I could go back and search through all the old threads. But it was a lock that he was getting the max. When they traded for him, the max was too low and it made no sense for him to sign. So everyone on here said he was guaranteed to get it and they would have given it to him earlier, if they could. Thats not my opinion or speculation, its a fact. He had the max waiting on him.
Now he gets injured and people want to cut his money or the number of years. Cousins isn't going to like it and if they do it, he is going to say that they lied. He'll be right. The offer was laying on the table for over a year and they yanked it.
It being understood that he was a max level player is different from the team telling him that they would give him a max contract. I doubt they even talked to him about it, because there was no point in doing that before free agency.
Posted on 6/25/18 at 3:07 pm to NOSHAU
So we traded two lottery picks for a guy we were just considering keeping? No, they offered him the max. You know they did. It just wasn't enough at the time and everybody agreed to wait..
Btw, Dwight Howard got a max deal after the worst year of his career, having a spat with one of the top 3 stars in the league, injuring his back twice and having back surgery. So there is a bit of a precedent..
Btw, Dwight Howard got a max deal after the worst year of his career, having a spat with one of the top 3 stars in the league, injuring his back twice and having back surgery. So there is a bit of a precedent..
Posted on 6/25/18 at 3:07 pm to Epic Cajun
brmark has completely lost it.
Posted on 6/25/18 at 3:11 pm to brmark70816
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Now he gets injured and people want to cut his money or the number of years.
Do you see why we're never sure if you're a troll or a crazy old man? This is just nonsensical to think the market for him after that injury wouldn't change. It's almost too crazy to be trolling. Well played.
This post was edited on 6/25/18 at 3:13 pm
Posted on 6/25/18 at 3:19 pm to TigerinATL
Let me play devils advocate here. Davis hasn't signed his extension yet, but tears his knee at the end of the year. Do you think the team backs off the contract? Wouldn't Davis be pissed if all of a sudden they lowballed him on a contract? What franchise level player wouldn't be pissed.
Like I said, I'm not a Cousins fan. But he has history, in his mind, with team's messing him over on money. Just two years ago, he had the max given and taken right back away from the Kings. He comes here and you don't believe he ever discussed his contract situation or wasn't given any assurances. That is dillusional. Maybe they try to walk it back or negotiate it somehow. But he is going to be pissed. I don't blame him..
Like I said, I'm not a Cousins fan. But he has history, in his mind, with team's messing him over on money. Just two years ago, he had the max given and taken right back away from the Kings. He comes here and you don't believe he ever discussed his contract situation or wasn't given any assurances. That is dillusional. Maybe they try to walk it back or negotiate it somehow. But he is going to be pissed. I don't blame him..
Posted on 6/25/18 at 3:25 pm to brmark70816
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No, they offered him the max. You know they did. It just wasn't enough at the time and everybody agreed to wait..
What are you even talking about here? When would they "offer him the max"? His contract was through this season. Why would they have talked about the contract that they were going to offer him while he was still under contract? Extensions don't really make sense unless it's a DPE or an extension off of a rookie contract, and he doesn't qualify for either of those.
Posted on 6/25/18 at 3:26 pm to brmark70816
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dillusional
Posted on 6/25/18 at 3:29 pm to brmark70816
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Davis hasn't signed his extension yet, but tears his knee at the end of the year. Do you think the team backs off the contract?
First, that's a different situation. AD is 1A, Cuz is 1B. Different rules may apply. I say may apply because what you just outlined is what appears to be happening in San Antonio with Kawhi. It sure looks like the Spurs have decided not to offer the Super Max to Kawhi based largely on a situation arising out of an injury.
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But he is going to be pissed.
So? He can be pissed and self centered and pouty and still like his teammates and coach and still want to help them win rather than being a little bitch on the bench. Nobody is arguing that he should be happy about his market price, we're just saying it seems very likely that his market price has changed. I'd imagine the team would give him multiple offers of differing lengths. If Boogie is so sure he's being slighted take the shorter "prove it" deal and get paid faster if he's going to come back.
Posted on 6/25/18 at 3:30 pm to brmark70816
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Just two years ago, he had the max given and taken right back away from the Kings. He comes here and you don't believe he ever discussed his contract situation or wasn't given any assurances. That is dillusional
ok lets back up...
1) the kings never "offered" the DPE extension. they hemmed and hawed about it, but it was never on the table and before they had to decide, they traded him for a bag of pretzels
2) in the days leading up to the trading deadline, cousins' camp/agent made it crystal clear that cousins would NOT be re-signing with any team that traded for him...full stop.
now, surely the pels brass discussed with cousins, at length, they they had every intention of offering him a new contract once he expired. and yes, i am certain that discussion centered on that contract being the full max he was eligible for. i am just as certain that those discussions included the team's insistence that boogie be worthy of that contract when the time came...and right now, he's not. sucks for him,. but it is true
Posted on 6/25/18 at 3:36 pm to cgrand
This is a business. The market will set itself for Boogie.
These players, no matter how you spin it, are human commodities, and commodities change prices on a variety of factors.
Boogie was already a player saddled with severe "attitude" concerns, and now he's coming off pretty much one of the worst injuries a basketball player can have.
His price has changed, almost certainly. It is a business, he knows this, his agent knows this, and the teams know it.
He will take the best deal that's offered to him. I really think he's the type of guy that bets on himself and takes the shorter deal so he can hit that next level 10 year Max earlier.
These players, no matter how you spin it, are human commodities, and commodities change prices on a variety of factors.
Boogie was already a player saddled with severe "attitude" concerns, and now he's coming off pretty much one of the worst injuries a basketball player can have.
His price has changed, almost certainly. It is a business, he knows this, his agent knows this, and the teams know it.
He will take the best deal that's offered to him. I really think he's the type of guy that bets on himself and takes the shorter deal so he can hit that next level 10 year Max earlier.
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