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Posted on 10/18/24 at 3:34 pm to 50_Tiger
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Only team in the NBA who doesnt know who is starting ?
Were in sports person hell.
Being a Louisiana sports fan my whole life "personal hell" is a little dramatic when we are the only team with that many potential starters.
We can even find the negative in good situations...
This post was edited on 10/18/24 at 3:35 pm
Posted on 10/18/24 at 5:50 pm to TeddyPadillac
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Vucevic?
I don't think so.
That's a big I don't want them having to deal with. He's one of the stronger guys in the league at 260, and he's not afraid to be a bully. He's a guy who's goign to get after it on the boards in a rough manner. That's the kind of 5's i don't want Zion having to use his body on, even though he can. It needs to be very limited, like 5-6 minutes a game at most, in short spurts.
That's the type of 5 you let Theis or Missi deal with for the first 5-6 minutes of the game, and then maybe let Zion deal with him for 2 minutes at most after he's gotten a little tired, maybe.
Vucevic would destroy Herb and BI down low. He's way too big for them.
Vuc is big, but I don't think of him as a strong guy at all. He normally does most of his damage from the 3-point line, where he's a career 35% shooter -- but he only shot 29% last season.
I mean, his name came up several times in discussions about BI trades (I particularly remember Jake promoting the idea on his show), and everyone has immediately hated those potential trades, because Vuc is just not that good.
The key to making small-ball work is not allowing the opponent to feed the big in the post. Making an entry pass to a big in the post isn't an easy skill, especially in today's NBA where guards and wings haven't grown up doing that -- just think about how many entry passes last season to JV were deflected or stolen.
And that's where all of our long arms come in. It's going to be very difficult for opponents to feed a center in the low post. The advantage of having BI or Herb at center, as opposed to Zion, is that they have longer arms than him and have better odds at deflecting the pass and creating a turnover.
In addition, in a lot of rebounding situations where one guy is boxing out an opposing player, the box out prevents either player from jumping, and then length really matters.
Obviously, if an opponent does successfully feed an opposing center in the low post, we have to immediately double to prevent an easy basket, and that's where Zion's defense excels -- in help defense.
All this is to help explain to people why, when we went small last season, we often had BI or Herb on the opposing center, instead of Zion -- and why we will likely do the same this season.
The other reason, of course, is that the majority of NBA offensive actions come from the pick and roll, and putting Herb on the opposing center is essentially a way of "pre-switching" that eliminates almost any chance of effectiveness on that play. There are certainly other actions that offenses can use, and there are plenty of stars who can be effective in iso situations, but putting Herb on the opposing center dramatically reduces the options of the opponent.
Posted on 10/18/24 at 7:16 pm to GOP_Tiger
It's going to be
Murray
Ingram
Herb
Z
Theis
Theis will come out super early for cj.
Murray
Ingram
Herb
Z
Theis
Theis will come out super early for cj.
Posted on 10/18/24 at 7:50 pm to whatiknowsofar
Y'all who are saying that Theis will start aren't reading the tea leaves correctly. For example, there's this snippet from a Will Guillory article in The Athletic today:
Christian Clark has hinted the same thing in his podcast.
quote:
the Pelicans are likely to roll out a starting unit that doesn’t feature a traditional center on opening night against the Chicago Bulls next Wednesday.
Christian Clark has hinted the same thing in his podcast.
This post was edited on 10/19/24 at 3:20 am
Posted on 10/18/24 at 9:19 pm to GOP_Tiger
Bulls game is going to be tough.. They've been using the preseason to ramp up and they look like they're ready for the season to start. We better be on point defensively because their offense looks sharp.
Posted on 10/18/24 at 10:21 pm to GOP_Tiger
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In addition, in a lot of rebounding situations where one guy is boxing out an opposing player, the box out prevents either player from jumping, and then length really matters.
BI nor Herb can block out 260lb Vucevic, a great rebounder.
Zions fat arse could.
And yes the whole point of small ball is to force the other team to match us, but unless Zion guards the 5 when they are big like Vucevic, they are going to destroy us on the boards.
Posted on 10/19/24 at 3:28 pm to SEC Doctor
quote:He was hurt most of last year and didnt play us, but we saw him twice November 2022, so you are technically right, but it was just 2 seasons ago.
Just tried to look it up, is it true that the Pels haven't seen Zach Lavine since 2022? I recall he used to torch the Pels.
Posted on 10/19/24 at 3:37 pm to Epic Cajun
quote:Would be a laughable thing if Willie does this. CJ is the perfect 6th man guard imo.
If Willie starts CJ over Herb he has no balls.
Posted on 10/20/24 at 8:11 am to Ryan3232
Christian Clark story in Nola.com: LINK
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On Wednesday, there is a possibility Green could start a lineup where 6-foot-8 Brandon Ingram is the tallest Pelican on the floor. If Green decides not to start Theis or rookie Yves Missi, he could go with a five-man unit of Dejounte Murray, CJ McCollum, Herb Jones, Ingram and Zion Williamson.
“When those units are on the floor, they have to have an understanding that they have to be tougher,” Green said. “They have to play harder. We have to compete at a higher level. We have to rebound at a higher level in order for those types of groups to work.”
Green greatly values defense. The Pelicans have ranked sixth in points allowed per 100 possessions in each of the past two years. After Friday’s practice, Green pushed back on the idea the Pelicans will take a step back defensively if they frequently play lineups without a true center.
“Last year, if you look at our numbers, our offense got better and our defense,” Green said. “We became a better defensive team because we could keep guys in front of us. We could switch multiple screens. We were getting deflections, steals. And we were getting transition shots, which allowed us to set our defense again. Analytically, it worked in our favor. But we have to force the issue with those types of scenarios.”
According to Cleaning the Glass, the Pelicans played 630 possessions last season with Williamson as the team’s center. The Pelicans outscored their opponents by 10.0 points per 100 possessions in those minutes.
As Green pointed out, the Williamson-at-center lineups excelled at forcing turnovers. The Pelicans generated turnovers on 17.1% of opponents' possessions and allowed 107.9 points per 100 possessions, a mark better than what the Minnesota Timberwolves — the NBA's top-ranked defense — gave up.
But defending well with small-ball units on the floor in short increments and doing it well over an 82-game season are different challenges. Asking Jones, Ingram and Williamson to constantly guard bigger players and control the paint defensively will put extra mileage on their bodies.
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“It can change over the course of the season because you are going to have some matchups where you may not be able to play a ton of small ball in those games,” Green said. “You have to go a little bigger. I’ll have to have some flexibility this season, which is unique. It hasn’t been like that in the past.”
Posted on 10/20/24 at 9:16 am to GOP_Tiger
Are there any big men/centers released yesterday who could help the Pels? Or is Willie hell bent on small ball?
Posted on 10/20/24 at 10:45 am to ramchallenge
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Are there any big men/centers released yesterday who could help the Pels? Or is Willie hell bent on small ball?
Bottom line...barring injury, the Pels will "win or lose" with the small ball lineup. This has been the plan for quite a while...once we figured out that Herb could actually hit the C&S 3-ball. Surround Zion with 4 guys standing at the 3-pt line.
The MAIN purpose of the small ball lineup is to make your offense better...and the Pels expect their offensive improvement to MORE than make-up for any drop in rebounding. PLUS...they think their overall defense will actually improve despite their probable drop in rebounding efficiency.
Of course, Pels will not be playing small ball for 48 minutes...but come crunch time...when games are won or lost....you'll see the small ball lineup on the court.
Posted on 10/20/24 at 3:23 pm to LSUPilot07
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PG: Murray
SG: CJ
SF: BI
PF: Zion
C: Herb
This isn't going to work imo.
Posted on 10/20/24 at 4:52 pm to Chalkywhite84
quote:
quote:
PG: Murray
SG: CJ
SF: BI
PF: Zion
C: Herb
This isn't going to work imo.
I think the plan is to replace BI with Trey in the very near future...and then, as soon as feasible...replace our weakest link defensively...CJ.
The "CJ" replacement...will hopefully be someone MUCH bigger and better defensively, than CJ...just as long as they can hit the open C&S 3-ball. This should help with our expected rebounding "drop" when playing small ball. Someone like Dyson Daniels woulda been perfect IF...he could learn to hit the open C&S 3-ball, but I think there are plenty of others out there that could fill that description so THAT...shouldn't be too much of a problem.
This post was edited on 10/20/24 at 4:57 pm
Posted on 10/20/24 at 5:03 pm to Dinky Mulberry
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think the plan is to replace BI with Trey in the very near future...and then, as soon as feasible...replace our weakest link defensively...CJ.
The plan is to "see how it works" and see who we want to keep between BI/ CJ.
Then we trade for a center.
quote:
Are there any big men/centers released yesterday who could help the Pels?
No... The centers that weren't capable of making a 15 man roster aren't going to "help" us. Jesus.....some of y'alls takes..
This post was edited on 10/20/24 at 5:04 pm
Posted on 10/20/24 at 5:18 pm to Dantheman504
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No... The centers that weren't capable of making a 15 man roster aren't going to "help" us. Jesus.....some of y'alls takes..
I'm hard-pressed to come up with a "big center" out there...anywhere...who we could afford...that wouldn't make Zion MUCH less effective offensively. And I think the Pels have decided to sink or swim with Zion...which is why I think the small ball is where the Pels are headed.
I'm not saying it will DEFINITELY work...but I think the Pels are gonna give small ball a long hard look...and give it every chance to succeed.
Posted on 10/20/24 at 5:29 pm to Dinky Mulberry
I really don't think we are hard set on "small ball". I think we want to see if Zion/ our offense can exploit other Centers and simply outscore the other teams.
We are also trying to get BI's trade value up.
We are also trying to see what we have with Trey/ Hawk.
The easiest thing to do is say small ball because that's our only option at this exact moment.
We are also trying to get BI's trade value up.
We are also trying to see what we have with Trey/ Hawk.
The easiest thing to do is say small ball because that's our only option at this exact moment.
Posted on 10/20/24 at 5:40 pm to Dantheman504
They've been saying it all summer. They're all in on it. 
Posted on 10/20/24 at 6:00 pm to supe12sta12z
Willie says rotation will be no more than 10 players
Posted on 10/20/24 at 6:01 pm to Ryan3232
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I'm sure this thread will piss some people off.
Since preseason is over and Willie has not announced the starting lineup as of today, what are we officially thinking guys?
PG (1): DM
SG (2): BI
SF (3): Herb
PF (4): Zion
C (5): Theis
I just don't see how it's any other way. When Trey gets back, I could see us running Trey/Herb/Zion at the 3-5, but can't imagine we run small ball to start the season with BI/Zion/Herb as our big bodies with DM/CJ at guard spots.
BI at the 2? No bro what u smoking. Maybe the 3.
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