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Posted on 1/10/19 at 9:12 am to NOSHAU
I like Otto but his contract is absurd.
Posted on 1/10/19 at 9:25 am to Fun Bunch
It's not all that bad.. Hes a decent defender and a great shooter, and he would be the 4th scoring option here.. IMO he would fit great in a lineup of:
Payton/Frazier
Jrue/Frank
Porter/Miller
Niko/someone
AD/Okafor
If we could get Porter and not give up our 1st, and be able to send out Hill and the 1st for another 4 like Tristan Thompson, we would be a solid with potential of great team
Payton/Frazier
Jrue/Frank
Porter/Miller
Niko/someone
AD/Okafor
If we could get Porter and not give up our 1st, and be able to send out Hill and the 1st for another 4 like Tristan Thompson, we would be a solid with potential of great team
Posted on 1/10/19 at 9:26 am to Soggymoss
I didn’t say porter couldn’t defend big SF’s.
I’m saying Jrue is better, despite being shorter.
And porter isn’t an offensive threat. He’s a really good 3 point shooter, that’s it. He’s not creating any offfense outside of that. And I don’t mean that in a negative way, just that there are better options out there to be had.
The combo of Jrue/Beal is infinitely better on offense, and just as good on defense. The combo of Jrue and someone like Bazemore or Barnes is just as good as with Porter.
I’m saying Jrue is better, despite being shorter.
And porter isn’t an offensive threat. He’s a really good 3 point shooter, that’s it. He’s not creating any offfense outside of that. And I don’t mean that in a negative way, just that there are better options out there to be had.
The combo of Jrue/Beal is infinitely better on offense, and just as good on defense. The combo of Jrue and someone like Bazemore or Barnes is just as good as with Porter.
Posted on 1/10/19 at 9:30 am to Soggymoss
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It's not all that bad.
He makes 27 and 28 million dollars and scores 12 points a game...
Those are absurd contract numbers.
Posted on 1/10/19 at 9:57 am to TeddyPadillac
Barnes maybe, Bazemore is not as good as Porter though..
I'm starting to seriously doubt that Washington will move Beal, Dallas is not moving Barnes, we could do a Hill, Wes and a 1st for Bazemore and Prince which I wouldnt be opposed to, but for the right package Porter is not a bad consolation to Beal/Barnes
I'm starting to seriously doubt that Washington will move Beal, Dallas is not moving Barnes, we could do a Hill, Wes and a 1st for Bazemore and Prince which I wouldnt be opposed to, but for the right package Porter is not a bad consolation to Beal/Barnes
This post was edited on 1/10/19 at 10:23 am
Posted on 1/10/19 at 10:16 am to Soggymoss
quote:Yeah, I'm thinking that getting Washington to part with Beal may not be that realistic given our assets. I am not sure what else it out there that could help sway AD to stay.
Barnes maybe, Bazemore is not as good as Porter though..
I'm starting to seriously doubt that Washington will love Beal, Dallas is not moving Barnes, we could do a Hill, Wes and a 1st for Bazemore and Prince which I wouldnt be opposed to, but for the right package Porter is not a bad consolation to Beal/Barnes
Posted on 1/10/19 at 10:16 am to Fun Bunch
quote:
I like Otto but his contract is absurd.
it IS absurd...but the wizards were kinda backed into a corner, very similar to the pels situation now and next year
the wizards' chance to escape the middle class was to sign durant to go with wall & beal. when durant didnt sign there in 2016 (or do a S&T, which would likely have included porter), they had to protect their assets and re-group. porter was RFA in 2017 and the nets immediately forced their hand
the hard choice would have been to let porter go and commit to oubre, but they didnt (similar to lemonhead here).
its a good lesson...you can have three max players but one of them better be top-5. pels already have that so they are in a much better position to pay porter 28MM
Posted on 1/10/19 at 10:27 am to Soggymoss
quote:
, we could do a Hill, Wes and a 1st for Bazemore and Prince
Atlanta isn’t giving up prince for that. They’d do that if it was Bembry.
Posted on 1/10/19 at 10:30 am to NOSHAU
Not sure if it would 100% get him to stay, but we would 100% be a better team:
Cavs recieve: Hill, Wes, 2019 unprotected Pels 1st
Wiz recieve: Randle, Moore, Diallo 2019 Pels 2nd
Pels recieve: Porter, Tristan Thompson, Satoransky
Cleveland does what they are wanting to do in saving money and acquiring draft assets, Washington gets out the tax and out of Porters deal.
Payton/Sato/Frazier
Jrue/Frank/Clark
Porter/Miller
Niko/TT
AD/Okafor
Solid team that could go on a big run
Cavs recieve: Hill, Wes, 2019 unprotected Pels 1st
Wiz recieve: Randle, Moore, Diallo 2019 Pels 2nd
Pels recieve: Porter, Tristan Thompson, Satoransky
Cleveland does what they are wanting to do in saving money and acquiring draft assets, Washington gets out the tax and out of Porters deal.
Payton/Sato/Frazier
Jrue/Frank/Clark
Porter/Miller
Niko/TT
AD/Okafor
Solid team that could go on a big run
This post was edited on 1/10/19 at 10:56 am
Posted on 1/10/19 at 10:40 am to Soggymoss
Think you mean Okafor since you are trading Diallo.
Also if we are taking on Thompsons contract why are we giving them a 1st?
Swap it with JR Smith.
His contract is only guaranteed for 3.5M next season.
Also if we are taking on Thompsons contract why are we giving them a 1st?
Swap it with JR Smith.
His contract is only guaranteed for 3.5M next season.
This post was edited on 1/10/19 at 10:46 am
Posted on 1/10/19 at 10:48 am to Soggymoss
quote:Don't think I like that deal given the contracts and what we would have to give up. Moore, Randle, unprotected 1st and 2nd for Porter and Thompson? Both are overpaid and not so sure Thompson is a difference maker on this team.
Not sure if it would 100% get him to stay, but we would 100% be a better team:
Cavs recieve: Hill, Wes, 2019 unprotected Pels 1st
Wiz recieve: Randle, Moore, Diallo 2019 Pels 2nd
Pels recieve: Porter, Tristan Thompson, Satoransky
Cleveland does what they are wanting to do in saving money and acquiring draft assets, Washington gets out the tax and out of Porters deal.
Payton/Sato/Frazier
Jrue/Frank/Clark
Porter/Miller
Niko/TT
AD/Diallo
Solid team that could go on a big run
Posted on 1/10/19 at 10:51 am to NOSHAU
thompson can rebound
rebounding has been a very useful indicator and predictor of wins & losses for this team with davis & jrue
rebounding has been a very useful indicator and predictor of wins & losses for this team with davis & jrue
Posted on 1/10/19 at 10:59 am to cgrand
quote:OK, but we would be paying twice as much as we are paying Randle and Randle can rebound as well. Is Thompson worth twice as much as Randle AND an unprotected 1st and 2nd to get him and Porter? Too much IMO.
thompson can rebound
rebounding has been a very useful indicator and predictor of wins & losses for this team with davis & jrue
Posted on 1/10/19 at 10:59 am to Aussie_Pelican
Tristan gives us alot of what Randle does, but with better defense and rebounding..
I'm not too worried with taking on his contract as it's only 5 million more than Hill's next season (not like we will be able to create any cap space) and hes alot better player who could fit great into a 4 big rotation of AD, Niko and Okafor..
I'm not too worried with taking on his contract as it's only 5 million more than Hill's next season (not like we will be able to create any cap space) and hes alot better player who could fit great into a 4 big rotation of AD, Niko and Okafor..
Posted on 1/10/19 at 11:04 am to NOSHAU
quote:
OK, but we would be paying twice as much as we are paying Randle and Randle can rebound as well. Is Thompson worth twice as much as Randle AND an unprotected 1st and 2nd to get him and Porter? Too much IMO.
the whole premise of this lengthy thread appears to be...how do we get beal (or porter) and keep niko, unless i'm missing something. so it doesnt matter whether thompson is just a more expensive randle. we would have thompson and we'd have beal or porter. in that scenario, yes...you'd want thompson and porter vs randle (who will likely leave if niko stays) and the picks
This post was edited on 1/10/19 at 11:04 am
Posted on 1/10/19 at 11:09 am to Soggymoss
quote:That $6 million could come into play if we are up against the tax given we would be adding Porter's salary as well. I would not think those are the type of players management envisioned when they said they would go into the tax for the right players. I would think we could do better for Randle and an unprotected 1st.
Tristan gives us alot of what Randle does, but with better defense and rebounding..
I'm not too worried with taking on his contract as it's only 5 million more than Hill's next season (not like we will be able to create any cap space) and hes alot better player who could fit great into a 4 big rotation of AD, Niko and Okafor..
Posted on 1/10/19 at 11:09 am to Soggymoss
quote:
Tristan gives us alot of what Randle does, but with better defense and rebounding
They are really nothing alike.
This post was edited on 1/10/19 at 11:10 am
Posted on 1/10/19 at 11:11 am to cgrand
quote:Moreso Beal. I think Porter is only a consolation prize and I would not part with an unprotected 1st and Randle for him.
the whole premise of this lengthy thread appears to be...how do we get beal (or porter) and keep niko, unless i'm missing something. so it doesnt matter whether thompson is just a more expensive randle. we would have thompson and we'd have beal or porter. in that scenario, yes...you'd want thompson and porter vs randle (who will likely leave if niko stays) and the picks
Posted on 1/10/19 at 11:20 am to ThanosIsADemocrat
Oh I'm sorry, TT is 1" taller, 15 pounds lighter, and wont shoot a 3 ball..
Hes a better rebounder, better shot blocker, better defender, and just as aggressive in the paint...
So, the only difference is TT doesnt take 3's...
Hes a better rebounder, better shot blocker, better defender, and just as aggressive in the paint...
So, the only difference is TT doesnt take 3's...
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