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Posted on 5/9/19 at 8:51 am to Crewz
If he is Prime Granger by the age of 25 and sustains it for 5-7 years, he’s a superstar bro.
Posted on 5/9/19 at 9:00 am to supe12sta12z
Thats a word without a clear definition, so maybe by your definition, maybe not by mine.
I watched Granger in his prime and he put up stats but there was no illusion that he could be the best player to carry his team in a tough playoff series. That is my definition of a superstar. My definition has nothing to do with regular season or even stats, really.
My current NBA superstars would be
Harden, Giannis, Kawhi, Curry, KD, Lebron
And again, I think the CEILING for Tatum is Granger. Rudy Gay is also a very high possibility.
I wouldn't hate to have him, but I would hate if that was the best piece I got unless I got a TON of other stuff. I am not calling him a scrub, I am just being accurate with his ceiling as opposed to taking the lazy way of saying "He's only 21" and implying that he can be anything. No, he can't be anything. He can't be T Mac or Kobe or even PG-13. He will fall somewhere between Gay and Granger
I watched Granger in his prime and he put up stats but there was no illusion that he could be the best player to carry his team in a tough playoff series. That is my definition of a superstar. My definition has nothing to do with regular season or even stats, really.
My current NBA superstars would be
Harden, Giannis, Kawhi, Curry, KD, Lebron
And again, I think the CEILING for Tatum is Granger. Rudy Gay is also a very high possibility.
I wouldn't hate to have him, but I would hate if that was the best piece I got unless I got a TON of other stuff. I am not calling him a scrub, I am just being accurate with his ceiling as opposed to taking the lazy way of saying "He's only 21" and implying that he can be anything. No, he can't be anything. He can't be T Mac or Kobe or even PG-13. He will fall somewhere between Gay and Granger
Posted on 5/9/19 at 9:08 am to Crewz
I think it’s clear you’re looking for a 1:1 return so you’re soured on Boston’s assets. Sure the unknowns like Morant or even Williamson brings a lot of excitement for a lot of guys on here. I can understand that but I won’t completely write off Boston’s young guys because of that. My expectations is to get young guys who are on a trajectory. If it’s Boston, either LA teams, or a top 3 draft pick slotted team, I won’t be disappointed with any option that doesn’t feel like the Pelicans got fleeced. While I don’t favor 1 option over the other, I’m not going sit here and devalue any potential trade option over the other.
Posted on 5/9/19 at 9:40 am to Crewz
AD is not in your current list of superstars. We can’t expect to have this monster trade package to include a blue chip guy and at the same time not consider AD a superstar.
For the record, I do not consider AD a superstar either for the same reason. As a result, I don’t believe an AD trade should warrant some star in return.
For the record, I do not consider AD a superstar either for the same reason. As a result, I don’t believe an AD trade should warrant some star in return.
Posted on 5/9/19 at 9:40 am to supe12sta12z
quote:I don't see how there is any trade whereby we will get a 1:1 return for AD. That is why I think our best option is for Griffin to pull a rabbit out of a hat and get AD to stay. Other than that, we are in a position of hoping a young player or a draft pick turns into something even close to AD.
I think it’s clear you’re looking for a 1:1 return so you’re soured on Boston’s assets. Sure the unknowns like Morant or even Williamson brings a lot of excitement for a lot of guys on here. I can understand that but I won’t completely write off Boston’s young guys because of that. My expectations is to get young guys who are on a trajectory. If it’s Boston, either LA teams, or a top 3 draft pick slotted team, I won’t be disappointed with any option that doesn’t feel like the Pelicans got fleeced. While I don’t favor 1 option over the other, I’m not going sit here and devalue any potential trade option over the other.
Posted on 5/9/19 at 9:45 am to supe12sta12z
I want the best return. And for me, that means getting the best single piece possible. Unless another package includes so much more that it makes up the gap in the top asset
I am fine taking the Celtics package, but they gotta give me a ton to make up the gap between Tatum and Zion or even Ja, if that is on the table.
I also need some intel on what I could get for Tatum and/or Brown, which I don't have and that could flip the whole equation. If some other team LOVES Tatum and I can get some great stuff for him, then it doesn't matter what my evaluation of Tatum is.
I am fine taking the Celtics package, but they gotta give me a ton to make up the gap between Tatum and Zion or even Ja, if that is on the table.
I also need some intel on what I could get for Tatum and/or Brown, which I don't have and that could flip the whole equation. If some other team LOVES Tatum and I can get some great stuff for him, then it doesn't matter what my evaluation of Tatum is.
Posted on 5/9/19 at 9:54 am to Crewz
So if we don't have confidence in a package that will produce 1 or 2 serious starters for our future, is Boston still the leading team that could give us the most trade assests?
Posted on 5/9/19 at 9:58 am to Dantheman504
Ask me on May 15th.
I think all of this is kind of pointless until then. I mean, I know we gotta kill the time, but the lotto on the 14th will determine so much. As will the meeting with AD. Again, you are talking to a guy who is getting closer and closer to 50/50 every day that AD stays, so all of this is for naught
I think all of this is kind of pointless until then. I mean, I know we gotta kill the time, but the lotto on the 14th will determine so much. As will the meeting with AD. Again, you are talking to a guy who is getting closer and closer to 50/50 every day that AD stays, so all of this is for naught
Posted on 5/9/19 at 10:07 am to Chad504boy
Another issue about dealing with the Celtics is that Stevens has a history of maxing out the above-average to marginal players and making them achieve above their expected levels.
Don't trade with Boston.
Don't trade with Boston.
Posted on 5/9/19 at 12:40 pm to Crewz
Crewz you think if AD is 50/50, and the ping pong ball don't play out the way we need and there's no chance of Zion or Ja and other teams are not throwing the kitchen sink at us for AD, any chance Griffin goes all in next year by moving available assets for a difference maker and go in next season to try and win AD over?
Like you said if KD leaves, we not far off from Portland, Denver etc. Paul will be a year older. We will be right there with a few solid moves but no promise from AD.
Like you said if KD leaves, we not far off from Portland, Denver etc. Paul will be a year older. We will be right there with a few solid moves but no promise from AD.
Posted on 5/9/19 at 12:47 pm to Townedrunkard
no, Griffin will never put himself in that position again
Posted on 5/9/19 at 8:00 pm to Chad504boy
Eric Gordon was never healthy.
Posted on 5/12/19 at 10:12 am to PelicanFever
Dude, AD is absolutely, unquestionably a superstar.
Posted on 5/12/19 at 11:38 am to Unknown_Poster
After the fact. At point of trade, he was a legit very nice asset.
Posted on 5/12/19 at 1:18 pm to Chad504boy
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After the fact. At point of trade, he was a legit very nice asset.
In the two years immediately preceding the trade he only played about 70% of games in those seasons.
Posted on 5/12/19 at 1:18 pm to Chad504boy
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I still think Tatum will develop into a pretty good player in this league. But pretty good is about where i stand pat and if that's our ace asset in return, its not a good deal giving up a top 5ish all NBA player.
You would get draft picks too.
And Boston has no guarantee Davis stays in Boston.
Tatum (as you say, good but not stellar, capable of a big game now and then), a nice starter of your choice, & a couple mid first #1s for one year of davis looks like a coup to me. Delicious lemonade.
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