re: Trey Murphy shouldn't get the max

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I don't think he gets a full max. Looking at some of the recent contracts, Kuzma got $25.5 million/yr on an extension, Cam Johnson, $27 million/yr, Dejonte Murray, $30 million/yr, McDaniels, $27.2 million/yr., Vassel $27 million/yr. So, it would seem he may be looking at $28-$32 million a year. A max would start somewhere near $40 million a year.

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Adjust the cap 2 seasons from now to those numbers, and $40mil is at least close to those amounts. The cap 2 years from now will be around $171m, compared to $136m this season, and in the $120s for some of those deals.



Also, year 2 Trey was miles ahead of basically all those dudes. The only one that could almost compare is Kuzma who averaged 18.7ppg, but he did so inefficiently on a bad team. Trey averaged an uber efficient 15ppg. I have zero doubts he could have averaged as much as Kuzma and likely done so still more efficiently.

Honest Question. If Cam Johnson is worth $27M a year in 2023, then what should Trey Murphy be worth in 2 years?

The answer is probably closer to $40M than $30M imo.

NBA economics are a bit screwy, but under the current system, Trey Murphy is a guy that has earned and is going to get paid, a ton.

The alternative, is a guy like Kira Lewis Jr, being such a no show, (noshau) that he is basically a 10 day contract player at the end of his rookie deal.

I’d rather overpay the guy that has exceeded expectations than get rid of him over a few dollars. He also still has room to grow in his game. Dude just came off of a knee injury and is killing it in a somewhat limited minutes bench role. No one is talking about him being rusty, out of shape, etc. Dude rehabbed and he’s been excellent for us since game 1 of his comeback. There is a ton of value to a player that can do that on the New Orleans Pelicans. It kind of also reinforces how full of shite Zion is about injury recovery time and returning back to normal when he is cleared to play.

This is not even for a real debate.. He WILL get the max. Dude is likely on an All-Star projection with his development. He is starting to hit his threes off the dribble. He will be unguardable in a few years.

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Either give me 23+ a game now

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Do the thing no player has ever done in that role... well that's interesting.

It doesn't really matter what Trey does, he won't be a top 3 option this season. He can have a TS% bordering 70%, he'll still be a 4th option.

Also, players getting their rookie extensions are almost always paid based on how they project to be. If we don't, Trey will leave and another team will pay him based on how he projects to be, and every other player who isn't a top player in the league by year 4 will never be retained by that team if you don't pay based on projected production.


I also do not remotely understand the Gobert comp. Gobert was older and already 2 or maybe all 3 DPOYs when he got that big deal, or the complete opposite of a dude like Trey.

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Do the thing no player has ever done in that role... well that's interesting.

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If he was capable of being the lead dog, then he’d simply take it. Max players don’t just sit back and defer to others.

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Also, players getting their rookie extensions are almost always paid based on how they project to be

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Give me an example of that happening with a max player.

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also do not remotely understand the Gobert comp.

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Gobert isn’t the best player on his team, and in no way deserves a max. That is the simple comparison. Yes he’s a really good player, but his contract as the 3rd guy is going to hold that team back from improving.

That's not true especially on an already established team where a guy is boxed into a role and would never reach their ceiling there. Look at SGA, Bridges, and Joe Johnson to name a few. The only guy who I can recall emerging on an established team is probably Poole.

While I think rookie max extension will be difficult for a team like the Pelicans who already have 3 30+ million players on the roster, I think he won't have an issue getting the max allowable contract on the open market. I'm hoping he take team discount and be a tier below the max contract but his progression is still trending upward and you can't cap his potential earnings if he's still progessivelt showing improvements.

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Honest Question. If Cam Johnson is worth $27M a year in 2023, then what should Trey Murphy be worth in 2 years?

The answer is probably closer to $40M than $30M imo.

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So, Cam Johnson is getting $27 million with incentives. His base is $24.5 million and his contract kicked in this year. Johnson averaged 15.5 pts 4.4 reb on 47% FG and 40.4% 3PT. Trey last year averaged 14.5 pts, 3.6 reb on 48% FG and 40.6% 3PT. Trey played slightly more minutes per game (2 minutes). I prefer Trey, but it is not like Cam is terribly worse.

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and the NBA needs to stop handing out max contracts like they are candy. They should be for the star or two on the team.

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Max contracts artificially deflate star salaries. Stars should be making a LOT more than their max salaries.

So, with that delta (the money they should be paid v. what they can be paid), guys like Trey/BI get into the conversation.

Also, a max isn't a real max until you get to the 2nd deal post-rookie contract. This is what we're facing with BI.

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I disagree and this is a silly line of thinking akin to giving Gobert a max.
You don’t give someone a max b/c you think they might prove it to you later.

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a. Gobert was a multi-time DPOY when he got his super max

b. The NBA is all about projecting value, especially on the first deal after the rookie contract. You think TMac had skins on the wall to justify his huge deal with Orlando? James Harden and Houston? etc.