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re: Trade JV IMO
Posted on 11/19/22 at 9:19 am to TigerinATL
Posted on 11/19/22 at 9:19 am to TigerinATL
If Jax would have developed to 75% of his potential he would be the big we need.
JV is a good player but most nights he isn't fitting in with what we are trying to do. Just play him less. I think Dyson is a better rebounder anyway... Dyson reminds me of Rodman the way he moves.
I like all of our starters individually but honestly I don't like them together. We put out 4 offensive weapons with 1 defensive weapon. I rather run 3 defensive weapons and 2 scorers. It seems like defensive specialist are better at scoring than offensive specialist are at defending PLUS our defense leads to offense. BI and CJ also buy in on defense more when there is an aggressive defensive line up on the floor. I think we should have 2 of CJ, BI, Zion and JV on the floor with 3 of Herb, Jose, Dyson, Larry, Naji at all times the game is in contention with TMIII being a swing player.
JV is a good player but most nights he isn't fitting in with what we are trying to do. Just play him less. I think Dyson is a better rebounder anyway... Dyson reminds me of Rodman the way he moves.
I like all of our starters individually but honestly I don't like them together. We put out 4 offensive weapons with 1 defensive weapon. I rather run 3 defensive weapons and 2 scorers. It seems like defensive specialist are better at scoring than offensive specialist are at defending PLUS our defense leads to offense. BI and CJ also buy in on defense more when there is an aggressive defensive line up on the floor. I think we should have 2 of CJ, BI, Zion and JV on the floor with 3 of Herb, Jose, Dyson, Larry, Naji at all times the game is in contention with TMIII being a swing player.
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Posted on 11/19/22 at 9:37 am to shel311
I don’t think we’re going to trade JVal. I think we’ll just let him play out his contract
Posted on 11/19/22 at 12:45 pm to SaintNation
Posted on 11/19/22 at 1:32 pm to whatiknowsofar
quote:
The Pels need a defensive big that can switch and guard wings.
That's gonna be Zion in 3-4 years
explain what makes you think so.
3 or 4 years.
is that dependent on new learning?
fitness?
motivation?
why not next season?
Posted on 11/19/22 at 3:27 pm to WicKed WayZ
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don’t think we’re going to trade JVal. I think we’ll just let him play out his contract
I think jval is worth the 15m. you need a guy of that heft for some teams.
you can't throw nance, herb or tm3 vs a behemoth.
lets talk about getting something for hayes.
he's an expiring and it probably won't cost a fortune for his next team to keep him.
I feel its to be expected that you don't get much credit for hayes in a deal.
you pay a pels unprotected first.
you get someone in good health who plays defense. before trade deadline the ones who are tanking to get a shot at the best prospects will be obvious. stay in touch. hey, how about ____?
Posted on 11/19/22 at 3:32 pm to CelticDog
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lets talk about getting something for hayes
Jax and Temple to SA for Richardson
SA does it to get a young prospect to evaluate
Then, depending on how you want to go with available roster spot, if you want to add a big man shooter sign Meyers Leonard, if you want to focus more on defense/rebounding sign Dwight Howard.
Neither of the 3 guys would be disgruntled if they got DNP’s and none of them would be worried more about their stats over the team.
This post was edited on 11/19/22 at 3:33 pm
Posted on 11/19/22 at 3:41 pm to SaintNation
See if we can trade Zion for next year’s top pick …
Posted on 11/19/22 at 3:52 pm to PUB
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See if we can trade Zion for next year’s top pick …
Posted on 11/19/22 at 5:16 pm to shel311
Unreal.
Posted on 11/19/22 at 6:21 pm to GOP_Tiger
JV has value against some of the elite teams like the Suns, Clippers, Bucks, 76ers, Cavs, Nuggets, and Grizzlies.
Problem is that his value is reduced by being a lane clogger when Zion is out there.
I like Turner instead of JV.
Also JV, Graham, and picks could get you a very good center.
Problem is that his value is reduced by being a lane clogger when Zion is out there.
I like Turner instead of JV.
Also JV, Graham, and picks could get you a very good center.
Posted on 11/19/22 at 6:29 pm to Pelicanus
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Also JV, Graham, and picks could get you a very good center.
which picks?
which very good centers?
are there any on teams you currently see still likely to be tanking?
Posted on 11/19/22 at 7:30 pm to SaintNation
Well the lakers suck. We get their pick. Draft victor wempenyama
Posted on 11/19/22 at 8:09 pm to lsu_baseball11
We better hope that we get Wembanyama, if we want to draft a center. In SI's most recent mock, the 2nd center on the board is Duke's Derek Lively at pick 17.
So, unless we get the #1 pick, we probably aren't drafting a center.
So, unless we get the #1 pick, we probably aren't drafting a center.
Posted on 11/20/22 at 11:56 am to GOP_Tiger
JV has shown he can provide a little spacing, but I agree he’s fundamentally and old school, back to the basket Mastadon who is rugged down low but not really switchable and not a formidable rim protector.
I’ve been interested in leaning to our speed line ups for sometime. Go with 6’8”-6’10” at the pivot who are long and athletic. Sure you sacrifice some interior scoring, but that’s Zion’s realm. I’d rather have more guys like Larry who can hold up inside but switch, run and shoot some. Say a guy like PJ Washington who the Hornets are rumored to have on the block.
Exit Note: Memphis basically does what we do now. They signed Adams to an extension but play a lot of minutes with Clarke at the five. They wanted to keep their big guy around and still start him, but his minutes are limited. We can do same with JV.
I’ve been interested in leaning to our speed line ups for sometime. Go with 6’8”-6’10” at the pivot who are long and athletic. Sure you sacrifice some interior scoring, but that’s Zion’s realm. I’d rather have more guys like Larry who can hold up inside but switch, run and shoot some. Say a guy like PJ Washington who the Hornets are rumored to have on the block.
Exit Note: Memphis basically does what we do now. They signed Adams to an extension but play a lot of minutes with Clarke at the five. They wanted to keep their big guy around and still start him, but his minutes are limited. We can do same with JV.
Posted on 11/20/22 at 12:13 pm to New City Champ
Yeah, play JV about 20 mpg, and lean more into Nance/Zion lineups at the 5
Posted on 11/20/22 at 12:18 pm to Soggymoss
I believe it was the Celtics game we saw CJ/JV coming back in during "bench minutes". I think we need to do that more with JV. I realize Willie is still trying to get a handle on having all of these tools at his disposal, but he should be punching teams in the face for 48 minutes every game when they are fully healthy.
Forget starters and finishers, find a handful of balanced 5 man lineups, maybe a few unbalanced lineups, and just keep switching them up and pounding on teams all game.
Forget starters and finishers, find a handful of balanced 5 man lineups, maybe a few unbalanced lineups, and just keep switching them up and pounding on teams all game.
This post was edited on 11/20/22 at 12:19 pm
Posted on 11/20/22 at 12:18 pm to GOP_Tiger
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Duke's Derek Lively at pick 17.
Filipowski has completely overshadowed Lively so far
Not sure he will be much more than a role player in the league(Powski), but he’s looked like Duke’s best player.
This post was edited on 11/20/22 at 12:21 pm
Posted on 11/20/22 at 12:55 pm to armsdealer
When Val is out of the game the Pelicans defend the perimeter better but lose quite a bit rebounding, particularly on the defensive side. Larry has played great ball this year but Celtics exposed us a bit (and other teams are taking note) by hammering the offensive glass for 2nd and 3rd shots. This really was what thwarted the Pelicans comeback in the 2nd. half.
With Larry or Zion at the 5, one of BI, TM3, or perhaps Dyson have to focus on securing the defensive board. This is where we really miss Josh and to a certain degree Lonzo. They were both plus defensive rebounders. What the Pels are missing from Hayes is really becoming an issue, not sure if he's being held to let the elbow heal or if he is buried that deep on the depth chart, but the Pelicans really need some rim protection and rebounding when they go small.
With Larry or Zion at the 5, one of BI, TM3, or perhaps Dyson have to focus on securing the defensive board. This is where we really miss Josh and to a certain degree Lonzo. They were both plus defensive rebounders. What the Pels are missing from Hayes is really becoming an issue, not sure if he's being held to let the elbow heal or if he is buried that deep on the depth chart, but the Pelicans really need some rim protection and rebounding when they go small.
Posted on 11/20/22 at 1:55 pm to Pistol44
quote:It's the opposite.
When Val is out of the game the Pelicans defend the perimeter better but lose quite a bit rebounding, particularly on the defensive side.
We're basically the same, actually slightly better with defensive rebounding with no Jval.
But offensive rebounding goes from the equivalent of the 2nd best offensive rebounding team in the NBA to a bottom 10 team.
Posted on 11/20/22 at 2:27 pm to shel311
The mean may indicate that, but with the game in the balance the Celtics crashed 3-4 to the offensive boards and the Pels could not secure rebounds. I believe this will be a template for teams when they go small. I don't necessarily negate the data *Nance has been holding up better than expected however it was apparent what the Celtics strategy was in the 3rd./4th. quarters as the Pelicans were mounting a comeback.
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