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re: Too many people are in love with what they want Zion to be.
Posted on 12/20/23 at 9:44 pm to Broski
Posted on 12/20/23 at 9:44 pm to Broski
quote:passing is the only thing I can point to that he's probably improved.
How has he not improved any other facet of his game at all since he entered the league?
The crazy part is not only would you say he hasn't improved in every other category, you can argue he's actually gotten worse since year 2 in just about, if not, every single aspect of his game outside of passing.
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Posted on 12/20/23 at 9:49 pm to shel311
His hands have been the biggest thing I've noticed that have gotten worse. He seems to be losing the ball a lot more on his dribble drives this season.
There has been an uptick in his rebounding since the Lakers/Vegas debacle. Not sure how long that will last though.
His defense has gotten even more cone-like this season compared to previous years.
There has been an uptick in his rebounding since the Lakers/Vegas debacle. Not sure how long that will last though.
His defense has gotten even more cone-like this season compared to previous years.
Posted on 12/21/23 at 5:18 am to Broski
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How has he not improved any other facet of his game at all since he entered the league?
Because he doesn’t care. He doesn’t have that drive to be great that all the greats have.
If he did he wouldn’t be fat all the fricking time
Posted on 12/21/23 at 8:55 am to Safety Blitz
I know one thing, if Zion can't get calls, then we should still be getting as many minutes out of him has we can every game. But when he gets pulled after 2 early fouls, he is mentally done for the rest of the game. F it, just leave him in there and let him play.
Posted on 12/21/23 at 9:34 am to Broski
quote:It's typical of many on this board. They always want something other than what they have on the team currently, especially that ever valuable unknown draft pick.
People do this far too often when it comes to trades.
Lauri and Kessler do shite that make them annoying to fans too. Zion, for as meh as he has been this season, is still more of a net positive than those two.
Posted on 12/21/23 at 9:36 am to Broski
quote:Do you watch the games or just the boxscores? It is clear that he is playing the offense that Willie and staff want. Too often, he is off to the 3 point area while the offense runs through BI or JV. They previously wanted him to post up and run through him. That has changed to JV with really no plan for what to do with Zion. He is becoming like Trey in the offense. They have to wait and create their own opportunities.
He's scored 15 points or less in 5 of his last 8 games.
Posted on 12/21/23 at 9:38 am to NOSHAU
quote:It's not 1 or the other, it's a bit of both.
Do you watch the games or just the boxscores? It is clear that he is playing the offense that Willie and staff want. Too often, he is off to the 3 point area while the offense runs through BI or JV. They previously wanted him to post up and run through him. That has changed to JV with really no plan for what to do with Zion. He is becoming like Trey in the offense. They have to wait and create their own opportunities.
Posted on 12/21/23 at 9:44 am to NOSHAU
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Too often, he is off to the 3 point area while the offense runs through BI or JV. They previously wanted him to post up and run through him. That has changed to JV with really no plan for what to do with Zion. He is becoming like Trey in the offense. They have to wait and create their own opportunities.
This is what is so frustrating. Zion and Trey are our two most efficient offensive players. Neither one is a focal point of our offense over the last 6 games. Zion had the one game against Minnesota but otherwise has been the third or fourth option. Shamit brought up some alarming stats in his substack post this morning as well. Does everyone realize that of the regular rotation players, Zion has played the LEAST amount of minutes with Trey? I really do feel like I am taking crazy pills when I look at the recent trends of this team.
Posted on 12/21/23 at 10:08 am to ThePistol
quote:Amazes me that no one about Willie sees his incompetence. He is a great motivator. In game coach? Not so much.
This is what is so frustrating. Zion and Trey are our two most efficient offensive players. Neither one is a focal point of our offense over the last 6 games. Zion had the one game against Minnesota but otherwise has been the third or fourth option. Shamit brought up some alarming stats in his substack post this morning as well. Does everyone realize that of the regular rotation players, Zion has played the LEAST amount of minutes with Trey? I really do feel like I am taking crazy pills when I look at the recent trends of this team.
Posted on 12/21/23 at 10:13 am to NOSHAU
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Do you watch the games or just the boxscores? It is clear that he is playing the offense that Willie and staff want.
He was doing that last season too, and dominating despite that.
Yes, Willie deserves some blame, but you're ignorant as frick if you think he is the only thing holding Zion back this season.
Posted on 12/21/23 at 10:18 am to Broski
quote:Again, it's not 1 or the other, it's both.
Yes, Willie deserves some blame, but you're ignorant as frick if you think he is the only thing holding Zion back this season.
Willie isn't using Zion correctly, no question.
Zion even when he has the ball isn't imposing his will on defenses enough like he can or should be.
There's no need for us to bicker and choose only 1 of the 2 as a reason, it IS both.
Posted on 11/10/24 at 9:39 pm to Safety Blitz
Anyone changed your mind yet?
Posted on 11/11/24 at 11:54 am to Delusional
quote:Zions at 45% this year and 58% for his career, only had 60% FG shooting in 2 seasons. Also has a career 4:3 assist to turnover ratio which isn’t that special.
How many do it on 60% fg?
This post was edited on 11/11/24 at 11:55 am
Posted on 11/11/24 at 11:58 am to NOSHAU
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Do you watch the games or just the boxscores? It is clear that he is playing the offense that Willie and staff want. Too often, he is off to the 3 point area while the offense runs through BI or JV. They previously wanted him to post up and run through him. That has changed to JV with really no plan for what to do with Zion. He is becoming like Trey in the offense. They have to wait and create their own opportunities.
Is he?
Is Willie and staff wanting him to not give a shite on defense and just stand around looking for easy steals and not actually playing good defense?
Are they really wanting Zion to just walk up the court every time we get the ball?
Are they really wanting Zion to just stand in the corner and not do a thing on offense sometimes?
Posted on 11/11/24 at 12:03 pm to ThePistol
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Does everyone realize that of the regular rotation players, Zion has played the LEAST amount of minutes with Trey? I really do feel like I am taking crazy pills when I look at the recent trends of this team.
What position does Zion play?
What position does Trey play?
Let me answer it for all of you since I don't think most are aware of the right answer here.
Zion is the starting 4.
Trey, is the backup 4.
That is why they do'nt play quite as often as they do together. And I"m not saying this b/c that's what should happen. Of course they should play more together. But that's why they don't.
We havne't had a legit backup 4 in forever.
Posted on 11/11/24 at 12:09 pm to TeddyPadillac
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Zion is the starting 4. Trey, is the backup 4. That is why they do'nt play quite as often as they do together. And I"m not saying this b/c that's what should happen. Of course they should play more together. But that's why they don't. We havne't had a legit backup 4 in forever.
Yeah and to me this is a glaring Willie issue. When two players fit and play well together, you find a way to get them on the court regardless of the position they play. Willie rigidness when it comes to positions and rotations is why he is often criticized.
Posted on 11/11/24 at 12:13 pm to shel311
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There's no need for us to bicker and choose only 1 of the 2 as a reason, it IS both.
Couldn’t agree more. They BOTH have sucked.
Posted on 11/11/24 at 10:15 pm to Pels_Yaz
Crazy that 2 years later we have the same issues.
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