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re: To those who think Solo is Grossly Overpaid
Posted on 7/6/17 at 9:24 am to Lester Earl
Posted on 7/6/17 at 9:24 am to Lester Earl
Roberson's 43% free throw shooting is embarrassing. Solo shoots 80% from the line so maybe there's some room for improvement
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Posted on 7/6/17 at 9:46 am to SCLSUMuddogs
The problem is we could've likely had him for half of his price.
Posted on 7/6/17 at 10:14 am to CocoLoco
We could not have had him for half the price. He had multiple other teams interested. I have said this in other threads, but the guy is slightly overpaid, but we have to overpay free agents to come here. He is crucial to the defensive improvement and the team, staff, and FO like him a lot. They could move him into space or at the very least for an expiring right now, but they want him on the team.
He is a good, versatile defender, the definition of a glue guy, and he will improve offensively as he becoems more familiar with the system and continues to work on his shooting. This was only Solo's 4th yr in the league and he had to adjust to an entirely new defensive and offensive system as well as continuously changing new teammates. He is entering his prime and should grow offensively. I just don't see him as this huge negative. He played more games than anyone on the team and the 2nd most minutes while consistently guarding the best opposing wing and constantly racing back alone to defend transition buckets.
IF he was paid $10M/yr, I don't think we would be having these discussions. Even if overpaid, comparisons to Asik's contract are asinine. Asik is a dinosaur who played under 500 minutes due to a mixture of injuries and incompetence. No one would take him. He is not useful even to a team who uses traditional centers. He is worse than worthless. He was never that good to begin with and the game itself has changed.
He is a good, versatile defender, the definition of a glue guy, and he will improve offensively as he becoems more familiar with the system and continues to work on his shooting. This was only Solo's 4th yr in the league and he had to adjust to an entirely new defensive and offensive system as well as continuously changing new teammates. He is entering his prime and should grow offensively. I just don't see him as this huge negative. He played more games than anyone on the team and the 2nd most minutes while consistently guarding the best opposing wing and constantly racing back alone to defend transition buckets.
IF he was paid $10M/yr, I don't think we would be having these discussions. Even if overpaid, comparisons to Asik's contract are asinine. Asik is a dinosaur who played under 500 minutes due to a mixture of injuries and incompetence. No one would take him. He is not useful even to a team who uses traditional centers. He is worse than worthless. He was never that good to begin with and the game itself has changed.
Posted on 7/6/17 at 10:47 am to Pelicans8
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When he was attacking towards the end of the season, the offense looked so much better.
He had one good game. Every other time be attacked the rim he looked like he'd never done it before.
This post was edited on 7/6/17 at 11:25 am
Posted on 7/6/17 at 11:17 am to Number 31
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He had one good game. Every other time be attacked the rim he lookee like he'd never done it before.
Yep, never done it
Posted on 7/6/17 at 11:28 am to NOFOX
What's with the link?
Are you disputing that Solo's offensive strength is not attacking the rim, and that more often than not when he did it last year he looked lost; like he didn't know what he was supposed to do when he got near the basket?
The guy missed his share of layups last year, many of them open.
I don't know how anyone who watched the team last year can dispute this.
Are you disputing that Solo's offensive strength is not attacking the rim, and that more often than not when he did it last year he looked lost; like he didn't know what he was supposed to do when he got near the basket?
The guy missed his share of layups last year, many of them open.
I don't know how anyone who watched the team last year can dispute this.
Posted on 7/6/17 at 11:28 am to NOFOX
Hill may be overpaid right now by a few million dollars mostly because he became a free agent the year the cap exploded. That's not a big deal. The Pels are currently paying two reserve centers a total of 16 million to basically polish the bench. Hill provides solid defense and fits well into Erman's switching scheme. I am just hoping he becomes more consistent and aggressive on the offensive end.
Posted on 7/6/17 at 11:32 am to twin span
If he can improve his shooting, particularly his 3pt shooting like Cunningham did, he won't be a total liability on offense and may even have something to contribute.
That said, shooting under 40% total is unacceptable for a starter.
That said, shooting under 40% total is unacceptable for a starter.
Posted on 7/6/17 at 11:34 am to twin span
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That's not a big deal
The big deal is you could have gotten very comparable production for $9 million less by keeping James Ennis. An extra $9 million would be very useful right now and going forward as we try to avoid the tax.
Posted on 7/6/17 at 11:59 am to Number 31
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What's with the link?
Are you disputing that Solo's offensive strength is not attacking the rim, and that more often than not when he did it last year he looked lost; like he didn't know what he was supposed to do when he got near the basket?
The guy missed his share of layups last year, many of them open.
I don't know how anyone who watched the team last year can dispute this.
You said outside of the HOU game, he wasn't able to get to the rim. Watch that MEM game again.
Anyone who watches the games can see that Solo is very strong getting into the lane. He is a poor finisher, but he can get into the lane very effectively. With his 80% FT rate, he really needs to just learn how to draw the foul instead of merely trying to finish. If he is more aggressive in attacking and drawing a foul, then opponents would be less aggressive closing out on him and he would have better opportunities.
Pels have also identified some issues with his perimeter shot, specifically from the left wing where he takes the majority of his 3's. He is working on this and should get closer to 40% from that space.
Posted on 7/6/17 at 12:01 pm to NOFOX
50% at or around the rim kind of makes my point.
Posted on 7/6/17 at 12:11 pm to TigerinATL
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The big deal is you could have gotten very comparable production for $9 million less by keeping James Ennis. An extra $9 million would be very useful right now and going forward as we try to avoid the tax.
You'd only have Ennis under contract for this year though and have to pay him next offseason. I just don't get why Moore's contract is viewed as an asset while Solo's is seen as an albatross when the staff and players clearly value Solo over Moore. Seth Curry signed for 2/$6M and played better than Moore. We picked Grits up off the street and he was as effective if not more so than Moore.
Posted on 7/6/17 at 12:14 pm to Number 31
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50% at or around the rim kind of makes my point.
Again, he can get to the rim effectively and is a poor finisher. I never claimed he was a strong finisher. I said he has a strong drive, but is a poor finisher. Hence why i think he really needs to focus on learning to better draw fouls considering his 80% FT rate is a big asset.
Posted on 7/6/17 at 12:19 pm to SCLSUMuddogs
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Asik looked like death the last time we saw him
He was also severely ill the last time you saw him.
Posted on 7/6/17 at 12:21 pm to Number 31
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If he can improve his shooting, particularly his 3pt shooting like Cunningham did, he won't be a total liability on offense and may even have something to contribute.
That said, shooting under 40% total is unacceptable for a starter.
He actually looked pretty solid in more of a ball handling role when he got the chance.
Posted on 7/6/17 at 12:24 pm to NOFOX
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I just don't get why Moore's contract is viewed as an asset while Solo's is seen as an albatross
Some of Hill's deficiencies are not his fault, like the fact that he doesn't rebound much is due in part to him having to run back in transition defense because of the scheme. But the fact remains that outside of the very hard to quantify defense, he doesn't give you much. We hated on Aminu for more or less the same reasons even with him also being a good rebounder.
That's just how it is and is why 1 dimensional scorers can still get paid and 1 dimensional defenders usually don't.
Posted on 7/6/17 at 1:02 pm to TigerinATL
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We hated on Aminu for more or less the same reasons even with him also being a good rebounder.
Aminu attempted 114 3's in 3 years with Hornets/Pels and he averaged 26%. I think we hated more on him because of how bad a shooter he was along with his penchant for ridiculous looking TO's. Aminu's current deal was also roughly 10-12% of the cap when he signed it. It sucks overpaying for defensive role players, but you need them and we have to overpay everyone to come here.
I think Solo is overpaid $2-4M, but is entering his prime and has room to improve. I think we could dump his contract if we wanted, but it would set us back. It is going to be really difficult for him to stand out on offense with a sub 12% USG rate. Like Jrue, he was also better before the Boogie trade. Hopefully that was just an adjustment/comfort thing and with a full offseason with Gentry/Finch, they can figure it out and form some chemistry.
Posted on 7/6/17 at 1:53 pm to NOFOX
Ok. It's official. You must be a family member. Never seen someone go to bat for a below average player more than this thread lmao
Posted on 7/6/17 at 1:54 pm to hendersonshands
Hendo ,Roberson shoots 1 FT on average per game. That's negligible .
Posted on 7/6/17 at 2:18 pm to Lester Earl
I don't care if the NBA salary cap goes to a billion dollars.
There will never be a time Hill is worth $12 million.
There will never be a time Hill is worth $12 million.
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