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re: This will be very unpopular but I hope we keep the roster together.
Posted on 1/24/25 at 7:48 am to LSUPilot07
Posted on 1/24/25 at 7:48 am to LSUPilot07
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This will be very unpopular but I hope we keep the roster together.
I like the roster. However, CJ, BI and Zion cannot all 3 co-exist on the court at the same time. Of the 3, Zion is the one that completely changes the game when he’s out there. And of course that’s been the big problem. He’s not out there enough. BUT, if he ever gets right and can play a full load then look out. Who wants to take that gamble though?
Between keeping CJ or BI I lean towards CJ because of his locker room presence, soft spoken leadership and 3 point shooting.
Zion, DJ, CJ, Trey, Herb, Missi, Hawk, Jose is a solid 8 to continue building on. IMO. Need another serviceable big and 3/D guy.
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Posted on 1/24/25 at 8:09 am to Galactic Inquisitor
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Zion fits with this.
Does he, though? You're talking about a hustle system. Zion is not exactly a high effort kind of guy.
Zion is a fantastic transition player and excels in the fast break. Seriously, among league power forwards, who is better? Maybe Giannis and LeBron -- that's it.
And it's a small sample size, but Zion has been more effective this season at causing opponents to turn the ball over. He's been more aggressive defensively.
Look, you can say we should get rid of Zion because he never plays and he's always out of shape. But I think it's ridiculous to argue that his play isn't a good fit with the rest of the team.
In contrast, BI's slow style of play is a poor fit with Dejounte, Herb, Trey, Missi, and Jose -- all of whom will be here next season.
Posted on 1/24/25 at 8:12 am to ScoopAndScore
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Between keeping CJ or BI I lean towards CJ because of his locker room presence, soft spoken leadership and 3 point shooting.
We need to trade both CJ and BI. CJ's defense is in significant decline, and he's going to be worse next season. I'm not even confident that CJ will be a net positive player next year. But he has value right now and could help a team contend, so we should get what we can for him now.
We need to trade both of them and tank as hard as we can.
Posted on 1/24/25 at 9:13 am to GOP_Tiger
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We need to trade both of them
I don’t disagree with this. But if we had to choose it needs to be BI that goes.
Posted on 1/24/25 at 9:54 am to ScoopAndScore
Until you trade Zion, you're pissing up a rope.
Posted on 1/24/25 at 9:56 am to GOP_Tiger
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Zion is a fantastic transition player and excels in the fast break. Seriously, among league power forwards, who is better? Maybe Giannis and LeBron -- that's it.
He's good in transition because he is more focused on leaking out than finishing the defensive possession.
Posted on 1/24/25 at 10:00 am to Jester
Well you better honker down because they have some time to rebuild his value even if they pivot and build around another guy. They simply won't trade him while his value is this low and there's time for them to wait. It's the smart thing to do.
Posted on 1/24/25 at 10:00 am to GOP_Tiger
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But I think it's ridiculous to argue that his play isn't a good fit with the rest of the team.
Half of the fit problems with our roster are because of Zion. You need a unicorn big because he won't rebound or defend the post. You need a bunch of spot up shooters because Zion clogs the lane. Oh, you also need an elite creator for the times Zion is on the bench, watching on TV at home, or huffing and puffing at half-court.
Posted on 1/24/25 at 10:03 am to GOP_Tiger
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BI's slow style of play is a poor fit with Dejounte, Herb, Trey, Missi, and Jose -- all of whom will be here next season.
Oh, really? Did you see that from all the time he spent playing with those guys this year? Again, y'all are fooling yourselves into blaming BI for Zion issues.
Posted on 1/24/25 at 11:19 am to Jester
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Half of the fit problems with our roster are because of Zion.
Ridiculous.
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You need a unicorn big because he won't rebound or defend the post.
LOL. We look good with Daniel freaking Theis on the floor with Zion. When Zion is playing under 290 lbs, his defense and rebounding are fine. For example, those areas have not been problems when Zion has played this season.
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Oh, you also need an elite creator for the times Zion is on the bench, watching on TV at home, or huffing and puffing at half-court.
Every team that wants to contend needs more than one elite creator. This is asinine. You're letting your hatred of Zion lead you into absurd arguments.
Posted on 1/24/25 at 12:51 pm to GOP_Tiger
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Ridiculous.
How so? How many centers have we gone through to find one that fits next to Zion? We had to trade one of the best, if not THE best, defenders in the NBA because he didn't fit with Zion. Oh, and we're talking about trading away two of the best pure scorers in the NBA because, right, they don't fit with Zion.
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We look good with Daniel freaking Theis on the floor with Zion. When Zion is playing under 290 lbs, his defense and rebounding are fine. For example, those areas have not been problems when Zion has played this season.
Okay, so you're hanging the future of this franchise on the three games Zion has been healthy and in shape?
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Every team that wants to contend needs more than one elite creator. This is asinine. You're letting your hatred of Zion lead you into absurd arguments.
Nice job latching onto a single piece of minutia while ignoring the larger point. Again, Zion has gaping holes in his game requiring an unorthodox roster around him. The first problem is you can't spend enough money to fill all those holes and he has shown no willingness to correct them. The second problem is that you are predestined to play 30 games without him, and you are left with an unbalanced roster that can't compete regularly.
Again, I own more Zion gear than probably every other player in franchise history combined. I was 100% bought in on the guy, but he is a loser and this franchise is not serious about winning as long as he's here.
Posted on 1/24/25 at 1:29 pm to Galactic Inquisitor
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Zion has gaping holes in his game
No, he doesn't.
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requiring an unorthodox roster around him.
Trey, Herb, Jose, Missi, CJ, and Dejounte all fit well with Zion. The only player on our roster who doesn't fit with him is BI.
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you're hanging the future of this franchise on the three games Zion has been healthy and in shape?
No. If you want to argue that we should move on from Zion because he's never healthy and in shape, then be my guest!. But that's not what I am arguing against.
Posted on 1/24/25 at 1:35 pm to Galactic Inquisitor
Folks really arguing about “fits” on a 12-32 team…. lol
Posted on 1/24/25 at 1:36 pm to GOP_Tiger
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No. If you want to argue that we should move on from Zion because he's never healthy and in shape, then be my guest!. But that's not what I am arguing against.
This is correct. A healthy Zion is still the best asset we are going to have or acquire in a trade to help this team.
We trade Zion because we want to move on and not because we want to "get better".
If you want this team to be a contender then you don't trade Zion right now.
If you want a full rebuild then you trade Zion. If we trade Zion and BI then you might as well trade Herb and get more assets for a rebuild.
Posted on 1/24/25 at 2:06 pm to Pistol44
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Folks really arguing about “fits” on a 12-32 team…. lol
Herb, Trey, Jose, Missi, and Dejounte will still be on this team next season. Why do you think that fit with them is unimportant?
Posted on 1/24/25 at 2:12 pm to GOP_Tiger
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Folks really arguing about “fits” on a 12-32 team…. lol
Herb, Trey, Jose, Missi, and Dejounte will still be on this team next season. Why do you think that fit with them is unimportant?
Even tho the season is lost you can't ignore injuries. We clearly aren't a "12-32" team when healthy.
The bigger issue is that our bench is hot garbage. We don't have any glue guys like Issac to pair with Herb/ Murray. And we don't have any cheap shooters that are positive players.
Hawk is closer in value to a 3rd string SG behind a cheap vet, (2) 2nds, or Hawk + 1st to upgrade.
Posted on 1/24/25 at 2:23 pm to GOP_Tiger
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Why do you think that fit with them is unimportant?
Look, team was on 50+ win pace before injuries last year and are shite now with injuries. You’re arguing preference not fit.
Posted on 1/24/25 at 11:54 pm to Galactic Inquisitor
quote:"Context" meaning the entire point
You've ignored all context for years, so this is and unsurprising reaction.
Posted on 1/25/25 at 8:02 am to Dantheman504
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We trade Zion because we want to move on and not because we want to "get better".
If you want this team to be a contender then you don't trade Zion right now.
Zion will never lead a contender. Do you seriously think that's still an option for him? Again, show me a single conference championship team with a less professional leader than Zion. He's a front-runner, not a leader.
This post was edited on 1/25/25 at 8:03 am
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