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re: This season is a waste and this draft class is loaded with potential all stars.
Posted on 1/23/22 at 7:13 pm to Honest Man
Posted on 1/23/22 at 7:13 pm to Honest Man
1B? I laughed.
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Posted on 1/23/22 at 7:25 pm to Bronc
Having an experienced team that not only believes but now KNOWS that they can be "successful" and overcome adversity is much more valuable than sitting around and not allowing the team to play their best just so you can potentially draft a 19 yr old kid that may be good in 3-4 years (and if too good the media starts pushing for him to go to a big market). BI having to lead a team is something that all greats and star players have had to deal with in their careers and is the ultimate test and development for him. Even us fans now believe in BI and I'm sure he believes in himself much more now.
We add a healthy ZIon that believes in the team next year and that's like adding 3 top 5 picks.
Team morale and confidence are one of the most important aspects of team building. We seem to have a coach the players are willing to play for, now we need to build that culture, and that doesn’t work by tanking. No team has ever been successful in tanking.
We add a healthy ZIon that believes in the team next year and that's like adding 3 top 5 picks.
Team morale and confidence are one of the most important aspects of team building. We seem to have a coach the players are willing to play for, now we need to build that culture, and that doesn’t work by tanking. No team has ever been successful in tanking.
This post was edited on 1/23/22 at 8:04 pm
Posted on 1/23/22 at 8:46 pm to RUFshreve
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Ivey does have similarities to Morant.
How does that make him an improved version of Morant?
Posted on 1/23/22 at 9:01 pm to The_Duke
Orlando made the playoffs the other year. Knicks made it last year. Both looked terrible the following year. Graham made the play in last year, yet it hasn’t vaulted his efficiency and game….we can’t just look at the examples that prove what you want to be true.
It didn’t magically bestow some new ability upon all their players where they would come back next season better than ever and have so much new knowledge and out them on this upward linear trajectory. No, those teams played terribly because the roster was simply not good enough and in cases like Orlando, they lucked into a berth in a weak year.
quality talent will always do a better job at elevating a franchise than token play-in/playoff experience. So in a down year, still in the process of building this roster, I’d rather miss the playoffs than get waxed by Phoenix and lose out pick chasing some mythical “experience” genie
You don’t have to sabotage the season, but the idea some of you all want to keep pushing Jonas and BI to career High minutes(take out the games he left early and since a couple weeks before the Achilles scare he is averaging top ten minutes in the league, during our win streak before the achilles Bi averaged 38mpg), when BI has already had multiple injuries including an achilles soreness scare, is downright insanity.
If this team can’t win by playing Jonas and BI normal, healthy minutes, than It is what it is.
It didn’t magically bestow some new ability upon all their players where they would come back next season better than ever and have so much new knowledge and out them on this upward linear trajectory. No, those teams played terribly because the roster was simply not good enough and in cases like Orlando, they lucked into a berth in a weak year.
quality talent will always do a better job at elevating a franchise than token play-in/playoff experience. So in a down year, still in the process of building this roster, I’d rather miss the playoffs than get waxed by Phoenix and lose out pick chasing some mythical “experience” genie
You don’t have to sabotage the season, but the idea some of you all want to keep pushing Jonas and BI to career High minutes(take out the games he left early and since a couple weeks before the Achilles scare he is averaging top ten minutes in the league, during our win streak before the achilles Bi averaged 38mpg), when BI has already had multiple injuries including an achilles soreness scare, is downright insanity.
If this team can’t win by playing Jonas and BI normal, healthy minutes, than It is what it is.
This post was edited on 1/23/22 at 9:16 pm
Posted on 1/23/22 at 9:18 pm to Hester Carries
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How does that make him an improved version of Morant?
I never said it did?
Posted on 1/23/22 at 9:24 pm to Bronc
Thank you for spreading common sense. It seems so blatantly obvious, I don't understand others who don't get it.
Maybe when BI blows out his Achilles and isn't ready to return until after ASB next year, then they'll realize what we were talking about. The way we're chasing these wins and playing for the play-in at all costs, when we're already without Zion for the entire year is insanity.
Develop the young core, get a high draft pick, be ready to compete next year when our team is actually capable of competing for something other than a play-in game.
Maybe when BI blows out his Achilles and isn't ready to return until after ASB next year, then they'll realize what we were talking about. The way we're chasing these wins and playing for the play-in at all costs, when we're already without Zion for the entire year is insanity.
Develop the young core, get a high draft pick, be ready to compete next year when our team is actually capable of competing for something other than a play-in game.
Posted on 1/23/22 at 9:27 pm to RUFshreve
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You think Jaden Ivey is an improved version of Ja Morant? Lol
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Posted by RUFshreve ? ? on 1/23/22 at 3:22 am to Hester Carries
It's not a bad comparison. Ivey does have similarities to Morant.
if he just says Morant is a comp then the software idea that 2.0 is better than 1.0 doesnt confuse the issue.
Posted on 1/23/22 at 9:29 pm to RUFshreve
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How does that make him an improved version of Morant?
I never said it did?
he took 2.0 to mean improved over 1.0.
Posted on 1/23/22 at 9:29 pm to RUFshreve
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It seems so blatantly obvious, I don't understand others who don't get it.
It may be obvious but it's not easy to accomplish. If Ingram's ankle can linger for a few weeks and Portland/Clippers manage to remain afloat, maybe you're 3-4 out of 10 with 10 games left and you can have that conversation with BI/JV about focusing on next year. But when they're still fighting for All Star spots and the team is so close to the Play In, you're not going to convince any coaches or players that giving up on the season is the thing to do.
There's a reason most tanking is done at the roster construction in the offseason level. It's just not something that is "blatantly obvious" to players and coaches.
Posted on 1/23/22 at 10:13 pm to TigerinATL
I'm not advocating for blatant and deliberate tanking though. I know we can't obviously tank while still trying to build the culture we want to build here with Willie as HC. I've never said we should try to beat Orlando or Detroit for the top lottery slot.
Just don't go putting the play-in above all else. Don't play BI and Jonas career highs in minutes, don't sacrifice playing time for guys like Murphy, for guys like Temple.
That's the route I'm wanting to take. That route would keep our pick and we would have atleast a decent shot at a top 4 pick.
Just don't go putting the play-in above all else. Don't play BI and Jonas career highs in minutes, don't sacrifice playing time for guys like Murphy, for guys like Temple.
That's the route I'm wanting to take. That route would keep our pick and we would have atleast a decent shot at a top 4 pick.
Posted on 1/23/22 at 10:16 pm to TigerinATL
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But when they're still fighting for All Star spots and the team is so close to the Play In, you're not going to convince any coaches or players that giving up on the season is the thing to do.
they think zion might be back with 15 to go.
they dont know any more than we do.
Posted on 1/23/22 at 10:42 pm to CelticDog
Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't the voting for All-Star roster end this past Saturday, and therefore, not be a factor in "tanking" discussion, from this point forward?
Posted on 1/23/22 at 10:49 pm to Dinky Mulberry
Voting is just for the starters. The reserves haven’t been picked yet and there’s usually an injury replacement or 2 the week leading up to the game.
Posted on 1/23/22 at 10:55 pm to RUFshreve
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don't sacrifice playing time for guys like Murphy, for guys like Temple.
They aren't even the same position/minutes and Murphy has been that bad. Herb and Hart get his minutes; not Temple.
Temple gets Kiras minutes.
We are almost exclusively relying on young talent other than Jonas or when there are few options (Temple)
Posted on 1/23/22 at 10:57 pm to TigerinATL
From what I've read, starters will be announced 1/27...and reserves will be announced on 2/3.
Posted on 1/23/22 at 11:20 pm to Dinky Mulberry
And once you've passed those deadlines then you have one less thing pressuring to push their minutes. But that's still almost 2 weeks from now.
Posted on 1/24/22 at 3:28 am to Honest Man
you literally made this post and didn't mentioned the two best CBB prospects this year: Paolo and Chet. Or even JSJ. Pls never post here again
Posted on 1/24/22 at 5:34 am to TigerinATL
ATL, what is the minutes concern?
Posted on 1/24/22 at 6:13 am to corndeaux
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ATL, what is the minutes concern?
There isn't one. It's a convenient excuse to try and intentionally lose. The difference from playing 28mpg and 34mpg is negligible. It's the manner in which they play and the effort they give. Playing harder leads to greater chance of injury. They want guys to play less minutes, less intently so that we lose more. It's setting up premier players for ridicule and public condemnation.
If you go to Ingram or Val and say, we need you to play less and not give your best. Just get some good numbers and will sit you if the game gets tight. They will be upset and demand to be traded or released. There is no upside for them in that situation. It would make more sense to have them fake injuries and sit them. Although then they get the rep for being injury prone and that hurts their value in the future as well.
This stance has not been thought out and it poisonous to the team and culture. I hate to see it promoted on here. If you want to tank, then be transparent about it. We need to either sit or trade Jones, Val and Ingram (maybe Graham too). Then you need to publicly tell fans what you are doing. So that people can make the choice whether to support that type of action and watch a tainted product..
Posted on 1/24/22 at 7:11 am to brmark70816
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The difference from playing 28mpg and 34mpg
Sports doctors unanimously disagree with this principle. More minutes of high activity = more fatigue = more chance of injury. Load management has become a thing for a reason in today's hyperathletic game.
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It's the manner in which they play and the effort they give.
More than one thing can be true and this is also true. And when Jonas and BI are taking the beatings they do every night because we lack sufficient talent to alleviate the constant physical doubles, traps, etc. they are playing, much, much harder in their career high minutes than if they were playing, say, with Phoneix's supporting cast, or even Portland's back court of Simons, Powell, and/or McCollum.
I honestly dont know how Pels that have watched this team for almost ten years, year after year, have key players go down with injuries and many likely fatigue driven injuries because we are asking our key players to push themselves to the physical limit because of the lack of supporting talent to alleviate the pressure, and still be like, yep, I'm cool with pushing BI to the point he has achilles soreness and Jonas at age 30 is playing career high minutes.
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not give your best.
No one has said that. What the argument from me is is that you keep BI's minutes closer to what they looked like immediately following the achilles scare, 32 to 34 minutes tops. Put Jonas more in like with 28mpg that is his recent career average.
The argument most of you are implicitly making is that we should allow our staff to risk the health and safety of our players to chase a token play in game or two. Nah, I'm not down with that
This post was edited on 1/24/22 at 7:20 am
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