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re: The Official Trade Proposal Thread
Posted on 6/9/24 at 4:16 pm to Pels_Yaz
Posted on 6/9/24 at 4:16 pm to Pels_Yaz
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Again, you’re overvaluing BI and undervaluing Murray.
No, you're undervaluing BI and overvaluing Murray. You don't just get to make up your own facts.
This post was edited on 6/9/24 at 4:17 pm
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Posted on 6/9/24 at 4:20 pm to Soggymoss
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Lulz
Murray in the clutch = 38.8% shooting
Ingram in the clutch = 42.9% shooting
Zion in the clutch = 45.7% shooting
CJ in the clutch = 47.8% shooting
Who was clutch? Besides being represented by Klutch, thats about the only clutch Murray has
And there it is
Posted on 6/9/24 at 4:22 pm to Soggymoss
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First, Pels weren’t the worst clutch team in the league.
Second, Pels had a better net rating in the clutch than Atlanta -12.1 to -12.8.
Now, I will say Atlanta does have one major clutch time advantage over Pels, and that’s having a coach that actually draws up a play.
Oh, an Trae Young, an actual clutch player
He'll just pull some other "fact" out of his arse to deflect.
Posted on 6/9/24 at 5:38 pm to Jester
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He'll just pull some other "fact" out of his arse to deflect.
And you’ll just make some wiseass comment and not provide anything substantial to the conversation.
I love how fans forgot how bad this pels team was in the 4th quarter and clutch situations. Now they’re pulling shooting stats to show it wasn’t that bad. We can surely tell what fans actually watched games this season, while others just looked at box scores.
Posted on 6/9/24 at 5:39 pm to Jester
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No, you're undervaluing BI and overvaluing Murray. You don't just get to make up your own facts.
Here it comes BI supporters in full force- over valuing him as usual. I’m going to laugh when he gets traded and they throw a hissy fit because he wasn’t traded for the value they “thought” he should be traded for.
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You don't just get to make up your own facts.
Lol what facts did I make up? You cant just say shite and not back it up wiseass.
This post was edited on 6/9/24 at 5:44 pm
Posted on 6/9/24 at 5:51 pm to Pels_Yaz
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Here it comes BI supporters in full force- over valuing him as usual. I’m going to laugh when he gets traded and they throw a hissy fit because he wasn’t traded for the value they “thought” he should be traded for.
Literally already happened with Murray this year
And I like Murray, but he wasn't getting anything of value. A 1st years from now and salary (Reeves).
Posted on 6/9/24 at 5:57 pm to SlowFlowPro
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Literally already happened with Murray this year And I like Murray, but he wasn't getting anything of value. A 1st years from now and salary (Reeves).
You assume again that things stay the same like they did in February- because nothing changes from trade deadline to now. Teams, players- they don’t change value at all right? Like BIs value had not been affected at all?
When the BI trade happens maybe you guys will accept what his true value is. But most of you will just blame Griffin and say he should have done better.
Posted on 6/9/24 at 6:06 pm to Pels_Yaz
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Like BIs value had not been affected at all?
I don't know why it would. We have like 5 years of data on him as a player. We know his expected ranges.
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When the BI trade happens maybe you guys will accept what his true value is. But most of you will just blame Griffin and say he should have done better.
That all depends on if we get Trae Young or not
Posted on 6/9/24 at 6:11 pm to SlowFlowPro
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I don't know why it would. We have like 5 years of data on him as a player. We know his expected ranges.
Ok so what happened to end the season- likely no contract extension, having issues with Willie, and struggling in the playoffs. Not to mention that the pelicans WANT to trade BI- where this was not the case at the trade deadline. This has absolutely no affect on his trade value in your opinion?
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That all depends on if we get Trae Young or not
Yes we know you don’t like Trae as a basketball player. We won’t go down that road.
Posted on 6/9/24 at 6:17 pm to Pels_Yaz
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Ok so what happened to end the season- likely no contract extension, having issues with Willie, and struggling in the playoffs.
His struggles in the playoffs were injury and Zion-related.
Griffin clearly understands he has to deal his boy and we have to ride with Zion, which is a 180 from last year. Griff loves BI and loves that BI would never leave us, but that only works if Zion is the foil (and a threat to leave).
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This has absolutely no affect on his trade value in your opinion?
Nothing you've said should sway a person thinking rationally and logically.
Posted on 6/9/24 at 6:29 pm to Pels_Yaz
To truly gauge the value of a player as a fan you go off what teams have been offered (we already know Atlanta didn’t get anything more than salary and a 1st), and also look at what other teams fans are willing to trade to get him.
I’m seeing alot of Detroit fans saying they would be fine with paying Ivey, Stewart and the 5th pick for Ingram. That to me is around what his value will end up at so I maybe undervaluing him. I’m willing to bet they wouldn’t even send the 5th pick for Murray by himself.
I’m seeing alot of Detroit fans saying they would be fine with paying Ivey, Stewart and the 5th pick for Ingram. That to me is around what his value will end up at so I maybe undervaluing him. I’m willing to bet they wouldn’t even send the 5th pick for Murray by himself.
This post was edited on 6/9/24 at 6:36 pm
Posted on 6/9/24 at 6:51 pm to Soggymoss
I've browsed some of the potential BI trade team reddits and most fans don't want BI.
Posted on 6/9/24 at 6:56 pm to ghost2most
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I've browsed some of the potential BI trade team reddits and most fans don't want BI.
The further the playoffs get away the more fans will start talking themselves into him. I don’t browse reddit much, only Twitter, but today I’ve been coming across alot of Pistons fans talking about Ingram.
Posted on 6/9/24 at 7:02 pm to SlowFlowPro
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Nothing you've said should sway a person thinking rationally and logically.
Yeah I think if you’re a rational and logical person trying to get the best deal these things do sway you and the value of the player. You honestly think another GM of a team would not bring these issues up? Even his contract status has no bearing on his value??
Posted on 6/9/24 at 7:06 pm to Soggymoss
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The further the playoffs get away the more fans will start talking themselves into him. I don’t browse reddit much, only Twitter, but today I’ve been coming across alot of Pistons fans talking about Ingram.
Maybe but most message boards Ive seen aren’t big fans of Ingram. I mean to be fair if you’re a Pistons fan you’ll talk yourself into any somewhat decent player.
Posted on 6/9/24 at 7:08 pm to Soggymoss
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I’m seeing alot of Detroit fans saying they would be fine with paying Ivey, Stewart and the 5th pick for Ingram. That to me is around what his value will end up at so I maybe undervaluing him. I’m willing to bet they wouldn’t even send the 5th pick for Murray by himself.
They would. And that trade is complete shite for BI. The draft is pretty bad- Ivey is probably the best asset in that package and he hasn’t been great.
Posted on 6/9/24 at 7:15 pm to SlowFlowPro
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His struggles in the playoffs were injury and Zion-related.
See to me these are just excuses where BI himself has stated is not an excuse for his substandard showing in the playoffs.
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Griffin clearly understands he has to deal his boy and we have to ride with Zion, which is a 180 from last year. Griff loves BI and loves that BI would never leave us, but that only works if Zion is the foil (and a threat to leave).
Sure but the fact is that Griffin is actively shopping him. When a player is being actively shopped and we have likely no interest in resigning him to a long term deal- that affects his trade value specifically from the time of the trade deadline when this wasn’t the case.
This post was edited on 6/9/24 at 7:16 pm
Posted on 6/9/24 at 10:58 pm to Soggymoss
quote:What any teams' fans are willing to trade or accept is completely irrelevant to a players value. It is always biased and many times irrational. I do agree that what a team has actually been offered is a pretty good indicator.
To truly gauge the value of a player as a fan you go off what teams have been offered (we already know Atlanta didn’t get anything more than salary and a 1st), and also look at what other teams fans are willing to trade to get him.
Posted on 6/10/24 at 8:30 am to NOSHAU
BI would be an absolutely elite running mate if your star player is a guard who can create their own shot. If you pair him with someone like Mitchell or Tae, they wouldn't operate in the same space like BI and Zion do. He had a terrible playoffs, coming back from an injury, against a defensive team that was determined to shut him down. His value is not as low as we think, since the main issue with his game is the fit with Zion
Posted on 6/10/24 at 8:32 am to saints5021
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BI would be an absolutely elite running mate if your star player is a guard who can create their own shot. If you pair him with someone like Mitchell or Tae, they wouldn't operate in the same space like BI and Zion do.
Put Cleveland on speed dial then if Mitchell matches up with him that well.
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