re: The Official NBA Free Agency/Offseason Thread Update: MITCHELL TO CLE

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what value does Draymond have to any team, even the Warriors?

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Even without Draymond, I don't see any way they'd trade Wiseman+1st for Turner.

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Is he worth $12M next year to them?

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This year will determine the answer to that.

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and if he does well and demands a much higher contract the following year, can GSW keep affording to pay this luxury tax?

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If they're a contender, but it'll also represent a shift. Obviously they'll likely get off of Draymond.

I'm really interested to see what happens with Klay. If he doesn't look like old Klay, do they really want to pay him $40mil a year in a deal starting when he's 34?

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considering that the reported offer from IND currently is buddy/turner for Westbrook and the 2 picks I’m not so sure. Short term maybe draymond is a better fit but I guess it depends on how you feel about turner

in any event I don’t think there’s any possibility that GSW trades draymond anyway. They have at minimum one more shot with this core and the chance at a couple more

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I feel like the Lakers would value Draymond over Turner, because they know their window is short anyway. They aren't looking at what either player can give them in 5 years. They have 1-3 years left of their window, and that may even be generous.

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This makes me think you have never watched the Warriors play or you just don't understand basketball. They run a lot of their offense through Draymond.

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Steph and Klay are two of the best off the ball runners in the history of the game. It's not hard to sit there and pass them the ball as they whip around screen after screen.

I will give Draymond praise on how he rebounds and pushes the pace. That is about the only thing he does offensively that's a positive. He gives them absolutely nothing in the half court, and if his defense wasn't so elite he'd be almost unplayable he's so bad in the half court.

They run their offense "through" him in the half court b/c that's the best place to hide him so to say. When the ball is in his hands in the half court literally every 5 guys on the defense quit caring about him and are scouring to find where Steph or Klay or Poole are at. And when he doesn't have the ball no one is giving him any attention at any point other than making sure his man stays just close enough to not get a defensive penalty.


saying "they run a lot of their offense through him" in a positive way is something someone who just watches highlights and regurgitates what the media says would say.

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Nah, Draymond is a really good passer. Sure it helps to pass to Steph & Klay but that doesn't not mean he's not a good passer/decision maker too. He definitely is. Unless his decision is to shoot

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100% agree. He is a very high iq player, never said he wasn't.

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Anyone can do it and average 7-9 assists per game...and yet only Draymond actually does it.

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The Warriors have utilized him to the best of his ability. I am more than aware that not just anyone can do what he does. It's not easy to be somewhat effective on offense when no one on the defense cares about you scoring. But it also helps that he's played with the two best 3 point shooters in the history of the league. I'm sure there are a bunch of players that could average 8 and 8 if that's what they were trying to do while being the PG for the Warriors. Difference is most guys can score the ball somewhat, so they aren't looking to pass the ball every single time they get the ball in their hands like Draymond does. It's still not an easy thign to do, but its also not something i'm going to be impressed by.
If Draymond is drafted by any other team in the league he is a journeyman defensive player who barely makes MLE money. No one is running an offense through him if he's on any other team.

Well, the other big thing about Draymond is that he's been the team's vocal leader and enforcer. Most of the time, championship teams are led by their best player, or someone who was close to being the best player. Guys like Jordan and Kobe won because they held their teammates accountable. You see guys like Luka doing it today.

But Golden State was different in that Steph and Klay weren't the vocal leaders. That was always Draymond, warts and all. So, I wonder what their locker room is like without him, and if it has the intensity to win another title.

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Right, and thus is a really good passer. He benefits from passing to the 2 greatest shooters of all time. But Steph/Klay also benefit from receiving passes from a good passer as well as opposed to if Draymond wasn't on the team and there was no similarly high IQ good passer on the team.

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Think the way they're built right now, you replace Draymond with a traditional big who's a plus on defense (myles turner), they would actually be better off.

they have 2 guards who can facilitate (Curry, Poole) and a wing who can (Wiggins). Yes he's integral to their offense and defense, but in years past where they needed another facilitator his IQ and ability to let curry run around and set him and klay up, you can do that now.

Think of a lineup of:

Curry
Poole
Thompson
Wiggins
Turner

that lineup could cause a lot of issues.

Makes no sense with Wiseman.

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If he was drafted by the Hornets, who knows what type of player he ends up being? Maybe he takes more of an offensive role and isn't nearly as effective (he isn't a very good offensive player), and if he's putting that much effort into the offensive side of the ball it's likely his defense would suffer. He's in an ideal situation for his skill set, and wouldn't be nearly as valuable for teams other than the Warriors (and maybe a couple others).

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Look at his 2020-2021 numbers and that is what you get from him at PEAK on another team without 2 of the greatest shooters to ever play the game.

A good defensive player who is a net negative offensively.