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The moves so far this offseason demonstrate good self-reflection and awareness
Posted on 6/5/23 at 9:49 am
Posted on 6/5/23 at 9:49 am
Even though the issues and what need to be done were incredibly apparent, a lot of teams faced with that still make bad moves or do nothing. I do have some respect for being able to look in the mirror, identify the problems, and be proactive to actually do something about it. With previous regimes we were always chasing our last bad move. This is being a lot more proactive, so far.
Its clear that two major things were issues: The approach to training and injuries, and the offense being a trainwreck.
Moving on from Nelson and his approach (if that is the case), is something we all thought needed to happen. We will see who they do hire, but its obvious they need a different approach to get through to Zion, and to help the health of the team.
On Offense, Borrego is exactly the guy they need. The offense has been boring as shite, no movement whatsoever, and just dinosaur basketball. Hiring a guy that focuses on an incredible amount of movement, increased screen setting, and higher volume of long range shots is a must.
We will see what the rest of the offseason shows us, but the start seems to be encouraging.
What are the things you want to still see addressed in order to make you more optimistic?
Its clear that two major things were issues: The approach to training and injuries, and the offense being a trainwreck.
Moving on from Nelson and his approach (if that is the case), is something we all thought needed to happen. We will see who they do hire, but its obvious they need a different approach to get through to Zion, and to help the health of the team.
On Offense, Borrego is exactly the guy they need. The offense has been boring as shite, no movement whatsoever, and just dinosaur basketball. Hiring a guy that focuses on an incredible amount of movement, increased screen setting, and higher volume of long range shots is a must.
We will see what the rest of the offseason shows us, but the start seems to be encouraging.
What are the things you want to still see addressed in order to make you more optimistic?
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Posted on 6/5/23 at 9:59 am to Fun Bunch
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What are the things you want to still see addressed in order to make you more optimistic?
I'm also encouraged by Griff's moves so far.
Of course, like everyone else, I'm interested to see what happens with trades, draft, and free agency. My top concern is improvement at the center position. That doesn't necessarily mean replacing Jonas as the nominal starter, but the overall group of Jonas, Larry, Billy, and Jaxson is simply not good enough.
I know that some of you are very focused on 3-pt shooting, but I am less concerned with that. TMIII increasingly took more shots on the move as the season progressed, and Herb's percentage went up. Improvement from them, CJ having healthy fingers, and Zion on the court will do wonders for our 3-pt shooting.
By contrast, Jonas is slowing down, Larry cannot take a beating all season, Billy is too slow defensively and gets played off the court, and Jaxson has only made marginal improvement. We must get better at that position.
Posted on 6/5/23 at 10:06 am to Fun Bunch
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Moving on from Nelson and his approach (if that is the case), is something we all thought needed to happen.
Towards the end of the year maybe. I got downvoted for the majority of the year when I would talk about him needing to go.
Posted on 6/5/23 at 10:16 am to iwyLSUiwy
Thank you for your sacrifice
Posted on 6/5/23 at 10:28 am to Fun Bunch
You're welcome.
Posted on 6/5/23 at 10:29 am to iwyLSUiwy
I think many turned on Nelson following Zion's rookie year, the next year even worse. So I don't think wanting him out was too controversial of an opinion by this past season
Posted on 6/5/23 at 10:47 am to BilJ
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I think many turned on Nelson following Zion's rookie year, the next year even worse
Yea that's just not true at all.
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So I don't think wanting him out was too controversial of an opinion by this past season
I know it wasn't controversial, but it was still a minority opinion until the last half of this past season. He got a pass for way too long.
Posted on 6/5/23 at 10:50 am to iwyLSUiwy
quote:I don't know about that.
but it was still a minority opinion until the last half of this past season.
It seems the majority of fans have been screaming for a mutiny with the training staff for multiple years now.
The relationship with Zion was reportedly fricked from his rookie season, and once it started to trickle out and especially when Zion was in Portland, I think a great majority of the fans were done with Nelson.
Posted on 6/5/23 at 11:07 am to shel311
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I don't know about that.
It seems the majority of fans have been screaming for a mutiny with the training staff for multiple years now.
There is some serious revisionist history going on right now
Shel you were defending how long guys were out for most of the year this year. Always with the "this is a normal time for a person to be out with said injury." Goalpost were being moved with every "set back." Not just Zion, but with B.I.'s injuries too.
This isn't a big deal to me fwiw. Just stating that it's easy to say that now because it became obvious, but it definitely wasn't for years now.
Posted on 6/5/23 at 11:19 am to iwyLSUiwy
quote:Wait, you're arguing 2 different things now, and this is not entirely correct. I defended the BI concussion stating not every hit to the head is the same, and we don't know how bad it was. I defended the BI toe injury initially because folks wanted him back in 1-2 weeks, and I pointed to the Bane injury just to show that it can take time. But at some point, it went way too long and BI was cleared and still sat out for multiple weeks, and I 100% did not defend that. I was front and center roasting BI for that.
Shel you were defending how long guys were out for most of the year this year.
quote:Right, when it was a normal time, i called it out as such. When it wasn't and went longer, I called it out as such. Explain to me what would be wrong with doing exactly that?
Always with the "this is a normal time for a person to be out with said injury."
But all of that to say again, you have changed what we're discussing. I'd bet a solid amount that I was one of the earliest adopters on this board on the Nelson needs to go train, guaranteed. I've said for multiple years now that if Zion views the relationship with Nelson as strained and doesn't trust him, right or wrong, Nelson needs to go.
Posted on 6/5/23 at 12:00 pm to shel311
And there goes the thread...
Posted on 6/5/23 at 12:05 pm to Galactic Inquisitor
quote:You can't just go to a message board and expect discussion!!!
And there goes the thread...
Posted on 6/5/23 at 12:14 pm to Galactic Inquisitor
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And there goes the thread...
By having a normal debate over a subject touched on in the OP?
Posted on 6/5/23 at 12:21 pm to iwyLSUiwy
Last big move will be finding front court depth while trying to stay under the luxury tax.
Posted on 6/5/23 at 1:24 pm to Fun Bunch
1. Lots of movement on offense requires conditioning to be at peak and guys who buy into it.
You can't have geriatric Cj and Dino Jonas not committed to it
2. Health, strength and conditioning
Whether nelson is the problem or not is TBD, but the way things went, was not the answer.
You can't have geriatric Cj and Dino Jonas not committed to it
2. Health, strength and conditioning
Whether nelson is the problem or not is TBD, but the way things went, was not the answer.
Posted on 6/5/23 at 2:19 pm to Fun Bunch
quote:Love this. It was my biggest gripe watching the offense last season.
Hiring a guy that focuses on an incredible amount of movement
quote:Is it, if we don't have competent long-range shooters?
and higher volume of long range shots is a must.
Posted on 6/5/23 at 2:56 pm to StrongOffer
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Is it, if we don't have competent long-range shooters?
The elite level shooting coach can’t get to Zion to competent?
This post was edited on 6/5/23 at 2:56 pm
Posted on 6/5/23 at 3:11 pm to Fun Bunch
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What are the things you want to still see addressed in order to make you more optimistic?
Bring in Meyers Leonard as Jonas’ primary backup so Larry can play more of a hybrid 4/5 20 mpg role where he doesn’t wear down.
Extend Herb now instead of waiting if he would take a 4/40.
Same with Naji, i offer Naji a 4/24.
Both of those deals are extremely tradeable if you ever desire to do so.
Tell Zion he is THE guy, no more of this Ingram is our leader talk. We go as Zion goes and make that very clear to him, maybe that will light a fire under his arse.
If Portland offers Sharpe and #3 for Ingram take it.
Posted on 6/5/23 at 3:48 pm to htran90
Maybe instead of “bothering” Zion to get in shape we just coincidentally are running a system that, by proxy, gets him in shape. SVG and I think even Coach K said you need to get him in basketball shape by, get this, playing f#%*ing basketball. There is a reason there were so much fewer injuries in 90s and 2000s. They actually practiced and didn’t have rest days. That’s what the off-season is for
Posted on 6/5/23 at 3:52 pm to PrayingMantis
Hard to play basketball when you're out with lower leg injuries months at a time.
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