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re: The Crewz Memorial "Insider Info" 2k17 Trade Simulator Thread: Official
Posted on 1/19/17 at 11:35 am to TigerinATL
Posted on 1/19/17 at 11:35 am to TigerinATL
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Just like I have concerns that McCollum for Holiday might tank the Pels defense
CJ is better on defense then he looks. The problem is and always has been Lillard. Much Like Harden with those Rockets with D12, they could play great defense in stretches but when Harden didn't give a shite, it didn't matter. Lillard actually does try he just sucks.
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I think the opposite could be true in Portland and Holiday could go a long way to solving the Blazers defensive problems.
As big of a problem Lillard's defense is, we have no rim protector. The defense would improve a little but at what cost? We could have CP3 and Tony Allen on the wing, you're not just gonna stop the ball handler from getting penetration, which is why good defensive teams have a rim protector to funnel traffic to.
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Posted on 1/19/17 at 11:37 am to Crewz
quote:My preference would be to give up the 1st rather than Buddy. I would think from a marketing standpoint that would be the case as well (as Buddy seems to have a following with the fans). However, couldn't 76ers offer a much sweeter deal centered around Noel and picks that would be much more attractive to Portland?
Correct, it wouldn't be easy and it won't even get close to happening until Jrues agent and Portland had some back room talks. But if they agreed to a wink wink deal, the two teams can find a way to make it work And I agree, I would do Jrue and our first. Heck, Jrue and Buddy. I'd probably balk at all three though. But CJ and AD would be a real foundation, and that is the kind of foundation that sets a defined pecking order and makes everyone better because roles are clear. I'd rather that then just continuing to get a bunch of B- guys and mixing up roatations and field goal attempts every night
This post was edited on 1/19/17 at 11:43 am
Posted on 1/19/17 at 11:47 am to Crewz
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Now, YOU just did the exact same thing. So, before you bash Dell, know that you think JUST like him.
michael i would do a jrue + 2017 1st plus filler for CJ McCollum in a red second...and jump for joy. the only point i am making is in response to your "win the press conference" comment. there is no way on this earth that this trade results in the NBA press community at large (or at small) saying the pels "won" the trade
thats it
Posted on 1/19/17 at 11:49 am to cgrand
quote:would think it would only matter if local press and fans are convinced they won.
michael i would do a jrue + 2017 1st plus filler for CJ McCollum in a red second...and jump for joy. the only point i am making is in response to your "win the press conference" comment. there is no way on this earth that this trade results in the NBA press community at large (or at small) saying the pels "won" the trade thats it
Posted on 1/19/17 at 11:55 am to cgrand
Would Pels win the conference if they did Jrue and a first for Greek Freak? Of course! Even though you can reverse engineer it and say they could of just taken Freak instead of trading for Jrue in the first place
Dumb people will do that. Smart people will say, "Wr got Greek Freak!!"
Dumb people will do that. Smart people will say, "Wr got Greek Freak!!"
Posted on 1/19/17 at 11:57 am to Crewz
Just throwing this out there, but as far as board villains go:
Boom >>>> Crewz
Boom >>>> Crewz
Posted on 1/19/17 at 11:59 am to theducks
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As big of a problem Lillard's defense is, we have no rim protector. The defense would improve a little but at what cost? We could have CP3 and Tony Allen on the wing, you're not just gonna stop the ball handler from getting penetration, which is why good defensive teams have a rim protector to funnel traffic to.
What about Holiday + Noel and dumping Leonard? Basically give Philly our 1st and their 2nd to trade Noel for Leonard.
I'm still not sure I'm buying McCollum as the guy to run Gentry's offense. He's never been a high assist guy, what's your take on him as a creator/lead guard?
Posted on 1/19/17 at 12:00 pm to Crewz
CJM does not equal giannis
giannis is a top 10 player in this league and could possibly be an MVP candidate on a very team-friendly deal
he is also easily in the top 5 of most "talked about" players, and seems to be without a glaring flaw that would hinder his meteoric rise (even without an outside shot). he's the perfect building block
there would certainly be sycophants who say "yay we got CJM for jrue!!" but that is what dumb people would say, not smart people
you and i disagree there clearly
giannis is a top 10 player in this league and could possibly be an MVP candidate on a very team-friendly deal
he is also easily in the top 5 of most "talked about" players, and seems to be without a glaring flaw that would hinder his meteoric rise (even without an outside shot). he's the perfect building block
there would certainly be sycophants who say "yay we got CJM for jrue!!" but that is what dumb people would say, not smart people
you and i disagree there clearly
Posted on 1/19/17 at 12:02 pm to LesGeaux45
Crewz is a a-hole, but If Jrue and our first could net CJ you make that trade 100/100 times.
An AD/CJ core is a legit nucleolus.
An AD/CJ core is a legit nucleolus.
Posted on 1/19/17 at 12:09 pm to cgrand
I was not comparing Freak with CJ. I was showcasing how stupid it would be to look backwards at what could have been when weighing a trade in front of your face
Could Dell have done better in the past? Heck yeah!! But you don't look at it that way. You look at what's in front of your face, irregardless of what it cost to get a guy like Jrue
The trade isn't three firsts for CJ. It's Jrue and a first for him. That simple. Don't over complicate it
Could Dell have done better in the past? Heck yeah!! But you don't look at it that way. You look at what's in front of your face, irregardless of what it cost to get a guy like Jrue
The trade isn't three firsts for CJ. It's Jrue and a first for him. That simple. Don't over complicate it
Posted on 1/19/17 at 12:11 pm to Solo
If McCollum really is a legit player in Portland's eye, and Portland is that disappointed with Lillards defense, then they should do the unthinkable and trade Lillard to Philly.
You could easily get their two top ten picks they will have, as well as Okafor and Noel. Portland would never do that, but it's probably something they should look at if they have even the slightest thought that McCollum could fill in for Lillard, and that they just can't play them together successfully. If they are both somewhat equal in your eyes, but in the public eyes one is worth a whole lot more, than trade that guy and get more back.
This has been my argument with Jrue and Reke. We can get more for Jrue, but when you look at the teams success with the two, we have been better with Reke. Much smaller scale than Lillard/McCollum obviously.
You could easily get their two top ten picks they will have, as well as Okafor and Noel. Portland would never do that, but it's probably something they should look at if they have even the slightest thought that McCollum could fill in for Lillard, and that they just can't play them together successfully. If they are both somewhat equal in your eyes, but in the public eyes one is worth a whole lot more, than trade that guy and get more back.
This has been my argument with Jrue and Reke. We can get more for Jrue, but when you look at the teams success with the two, we have been better with Reke. Much smaller scale than Lillard/McCollum obviously.
Posted on 1/19/17 at 12:16 pm to Crewz
here is kevin o'connor from 10 days ago:
now...compare that trade to yours.
you just the other day came in here calling everyone stupid homers over the festus/asik discussion. now all of a sudden your jrue +1 for mccollum is both reasonable and doable, for both teams?
not buying it
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The Lillard-McCollum core can be great, but it may never be great enough. The Blazers should learn from history: If the goal is a title or multiple titles, then tough, possibly unpopular decisions will need to be made to facilitate that leap. The most underrated move the Warriors ever made was swapping Monta Ellis for Bogut. McCollum is better than Ellis ever was, but trading him as part of a deal for a rim protector should still be a potential option. Dealing your second-best player is tough for any team, especially when Portland just signed McCollum to a long-term extension. The optics of a move now (before the extension even kicks in!) would suggest they’re an organization without a clear plan. Plus, a trade is almost technically impossible this season because of the poison pill provision in his contract. The Sixers are one of the few teams that could even make it work financially (along with the Nets and Nuggets), and perhaps the only compatible team in terms of assets (sorry, Brooklyn).
If Bryan Colangelo is finally ready to cash in on Sam Hinkie’s assets, trading for McCollum would make sense. Here’s an idea to mull over: The Blazers send McCollum to the Sixers for Noel, the Sixers’ unprotected 2017 first, the Kings’ unprotected 2019 first, and multiple second-round picks. There would be financial kinks to work out because of the poison pill, but that would be the base offer. If you’re a Blazers fan, your first reaction is probably to click out of this article, but wait! A trade of this magnitude accomplishes two big things: In Noel they would have a young, elite rim protector who fits on both ends, and it would provide Portland general manager Neil Olshey with the flexibility to retool in a way more conducive to title hunting. The Blazers would probably say goodbye to the playoffs?—?as bad as Lillard and McCollum are together on D, the Blazers are even worse on defense when Lillard is on the floor without McCollum?—?but that’s kind of the point here. With three first-round picks in a stellar 2017 draft, Olshey would have tons of ammo to put them in the conversation for superstar trades. If they kept those picks, they could find players that are better fits alongside Lillard, like Washington combo-guard Markelle Fultz or Duke forward Jayson Tatum.
now...compare that trade to yours.
you just the other day came in here calling everyone stupid homers over the festus/asik discussion. now all of a sudden your jrue +1 for mccollum is both reasonable and doable, for both teams?
not buying it
Posted on 1/19/17 at 12:21 pm to cgrand
Mine is not based on hope though. I am reporting on some things actually bantered about. He is simply throwing out what he thinks is fair. He also doesn't know what Blazers want to accomplish. They want to stay relevant
But whatever, keep biting the hand that feeds you guys. Because you have sooooo many other people who talk to high up people, I forgot.
I will go back to JUST trolling. Thanks for the reminder guy
But whatever, keep biting the hand that feeds you guys. Because you have sooooo many other people who talk to high up people, I forgot.
I will go back to JUST trolling. Thanks for the reminder guy
Posted on 1/19/17 at 12:25 pm to Crewz
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But whatever, keep biting the hand that feeds you guys
Thanks for the plethora of good information I've never heard of before, like the Milsaps trade that never had legs that your so proud to have known about before some idiot made it public.
Sorry for not believing Portland is dumb enough to do this trade.
Posted on 1/19/17 at 12:28 pm to Crewz
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The reason fans are dumb, IMO, is they let passion guide them too frequently. Also, most are not trained in the art of debate/argument building. There is no "right" or "wrong" when predicting the future. But there are sound arguments and arguments that are not sound -- and that is based purely on structure, not content. I know this is too deep for you and too deep for a message board, because apparently we are just all supposed to be emotional cavemen on here, but I figured I'd try to explain in case somebody with half a brain accidentally stopped by.
You sound just like an arrogant little 1L. It's cute. Maybe you will grow up some day where you don't feel the need to troll the internet to make yourself feel better, but that's another topic.
The % of Pels fans that went to graduate school specifically for debate/argument building is probably higher than most other teams. Your flaw is that you are blinded by the overestimation of your mental capacity and the misguided belief that your Power of Now spiritualism puts you in a superior position to others. You're a child that needs attention.
This post was edited on 1/19/17 at 12:30 pm
Posted on 1/19/17 at 12:31 pm to TeddyPadillac
Oh, it didn't have legs? It wasn't reported that the Pels had discussions about him days after I said by reporters like Shelbourne, Lowe, Woj, and others? GTFOH
I get it. I created a character and you guys hate me. Fine. But you do yourself a disservice when you deny the info because of your distaste for me. Separate the two
Last thing- would that Philly offer be better than Jrue and a first? The way Philly is playing and with Ben returning, they could EASILY finish with a better record. And Jrue is much better for them than Noel. So o could easily argue Jrue and a first is much better
I get it. I created a character and you guys hate me. Fine. But you do yourself a disservice when you deny the info because of your distaste for me. Separate the two
Last thing- would that Philly offer be better than Jrue and a first? The way Philly is playing and with Ben returning, they could EASILY finish with a better record. And Jrue is much better for them than Noel. So o could easily argue Jrue and a first is much better
Posted on 1/19/17 at 12:32 pm to cgrand
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now...compare that trade to yours.
That's not as great as it sounds. Philly's pick is currently 7th and rising with Embid. Add McCollum to the mix and it might not even be top 10. Also assuming the new extension keeps Cousins with the kings, then you're talking about #8-12 this year and #8-12 in 2019 plus Noel. It's not a bad haul if you factor in tanking for the Blazers, but if they don't want to tank isn't Holiday + Noel + dump better?
I don't even know if 1) Philly would swap Noel with Leonard for our picks and 2) if what I proposed works with McCollum's poison pill, but the 2 picks from Philly proposed by Kevin O'Connor look like the same fools gold we got with Minnesota's unprotected pick that netted us Austin Rivers. I really don't think it blows what the Pels could offer away unless the Blazers wanted to tank.
This post was edited on 1/19/17 at 12:34 pm
Posted on 1/19/17 at 12:36 pm to NOFOX
I am extremely arrogant. You got that part right. But if I was desperate for attention, why did I give up the Twitter with 5,000+ followers and growing, the 10+ radio spots every week, and multiple chances for much bigger platforms.
Good try pop psychologist. But wrong.
Good try pop psychologist. But wrong.
Posted on 1/19/17 at 12:37 pm to TigerinATL
You said it much nicer than me :). I see why people like you even though you think almost exactly like me with regards to the game.
Maybe I should learn from your respectful, engaging demeanor!!
Maybe I should learn from your respectful, engaging demeanor!!
Posted on 1/19/17 at 12:41 pm to Crewz
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I am extremely arrogant. You got that part right. But if I was desperate for attention, why did I give up the Twitter with 5,000+ followers and growing, the 10+ radio spots every week, and multiple chances for much bigger platforms.
Good try pop psychologist. But wrong.
Why are you a self professed troll of a message board for team you claim to not even watch anymore? Why do you continually post here if you believe fans are dumb? None of this is for attention or ego at all. Right?
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