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re: Starting to think Clippers are the ideal trade candidate
Posted on 5/21/19 at 3:13 pm to kadillak
Posted on 5/21/19 at 3:13 pm to kadillak
They are going to have to at some point.
But I don’t see a package of picks plus guys like Ingram, Ball, and Kuzma pulling it off. Especially with Ernie “Who did you frick to get this job?!?” Grunfeld now out as GM.
But I don’t see a package of picks plus guys like Ingram, Ball, and Kuzma pulling it off. Especially with Ernie “Who did you frick to get this job?!?” Grunfeld now out as GM.
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Posted on 5/21/19 at 3:14 pm to kadillak
If you're scared of Tatum turning into Wiggins you can use Tatum as a chip in a bigger trade.
Examples:
Pels get: Hield, Brown, Smart, Mem pick
Kings get: Tatum
Cs get: Anthony Davis
Pels get: Gobert, Brown, Memphis pick
Jazz get: Tatum, Horford
Celts get: Davis, Exum
Etc etc
Examples:
Pels get: Hield, Brown, Smart, Mem pick
Kings get: Tatum
Cs get: Anthony Davis
Pels get: Gobert, Brown, Memphis pick
Jazz get: Tatum, Horford
Celts get: Davis, Exum
Etc etc
Posted on 5/21/19 at 3:16 pm to Spitting Venom
Kings not trading Hield after what it took to get him and how much they love him.
Posted on 5/21/19 at 3:17 pm to NOSHAU
I wonder how high a pick in the draft Boston could get using Smart and the #20 and/or #22.
Posted on 5/21/19 at 3:20 pm to NOSHAU
Not a high enough pick to get a better player than Smart, IMHO.
Posted on 5/21/19 at 3:28 pm to teke184
quote:What do you think of it would end up being #4, #6 or 7 (via Lonzo trade with PHO or CHI) and Ingram to Washington. They would then have three top 10 picks, Ingram, and cap to build with. They suck next season without Wall and you get another good young piece near the top of next draft.
They are going to have to at some point.
But I don’t see a package of picks plus guys like Ingram, Ball, and Kuzma pulling it off. Especially with Ernie “Who did you frick to get this job?!?” Grunfeld now out as GM.
Something to the effect of
Pels: Beal, Kuzma, Warren/Bridges, picks Lakers: AD, filler
Suns: Lonzo
Wizards: #4, #6, Ingram, Hart
This post was edited on 5/21/19 at 3:29 pm
Posted on 5/21/19 at 3:32 pm to kadillak
Teams don’t tend to bring in so many high 1sts at the same time.
Getting one 19 year old to keep his head out of his arse is a problem. Doing it with three of them on a team which doesn’t really have what I would consider veteran leadership is problematic.
Getting one 19 year old to keep his head out of his arse is a problem. Doing it with three of them on a team which doesn’t really have what I would consider veteran leadership is problematic.
Posted on 5/21/19 at 3:35 pm to teke184
Are you saying John Wall and Dwight Howard aren't model veteran leaders? 
But yeah, that's very true.
But yeah, that's very true.
Posted on 5/21/19 at 7:11 pm to Chad504boy
Yes, Gallinari has had some injuries in his career, but he played in 68 games last year. I think his game would be a great fit with some of our other pieces. He's a top-20 guy in the league offensively, and we really need someone who can play SF who can shoot 3s like him. And yes, he'd be going into the last year of his deal, but a big expiring contract might not be such a bad thing, as it would give us room to sign a top FA the following year if we don't keep him after that.
I'm not arguing that he's a big asset in the deal, because building for two and three years down the road is what really counts, but he'd definitely help make the team a lot better next year.
I'm not arguing that he's a big asset in the deal, because building for two and three years down the road is what really counts, but he'd definitely help make the team a lot better next year.
Posted on 5/21/19 at 9:31 pm to Chad504boy
quote:
so your plan is hoping AD walks on the celtics rather than just get the man in your building this very minute if you are LAC. You have the assets, he wants to be in your town. This is your opportunity to put the lakers in the dumpster. AD will help lure another talent. Not just sit and hope you get one.
You aren't crewz, he isn't this stupid.
I don't think you heard me. Clippers don't have the assets to get in on AD. Speaking of insider info, they also have other plans. Namely signing Kawhi and KD. They don't think they will actually get KD, but they plan on dying while trying.
Posted on 5/21/19 at 9:35 pm to NOSHAU
quote:
Purely your opinion (biased based on being a Celtics fan). It is ridiculous to say that it is that narrowed down at this point. I do not believe the LAL, LAC, Denver, and probably 4-5 other teams are not a potential factor.
It's an opinion, but it's an informed one. The teams you just mentioned are also not in the game.
Posted on 5/21/19 at 9:59 pm to teke184
Marc Stein:
Hmmmmm
quote:
As for the bigger-picture matter of Durant’s future: I am unafraid to announce, with no trace of hot-takery, that firm predictions about what Durant will do when free agency starts in 40 days are ill-advised. Within the last month, very smart and plugged-in people I have consulted say that the Los Angeles Clippers have emerged as an equally dangerous threat to the Knicks to sign Durant away from Golden State. And I believe it.
Hmmmmm
Posted on 5/21/19 at 10:02 pm to Fun Bunch
Balmer isn't dumb. He knows AD wants to be in LA and knows he has a FO structure that can be trusted. He 1000% believes AD would resign if he's traded there & he won't be holding back
Posted on 5/21/19 at 10:08 pm to DeionDeion
I’m more interested in them being in the bidding war than the actual results.
The more teams desperate to be involved the better.
The more teams desperate to be involved the better.
Posted on 5/21/19 at 10:34 pm to Vegas Buffet
quote:All teams are in the game until a deal is done. You, as a Celtics fan. claim that the Celtics are virtually a lock to get AD yet you do not see the Celtics giving up both Tatum and Brown or the Memphis pick. So, I guess no one else has any asset close to Tatum?
It's an opinion, but it's an informed one. The teams you just mentioned are also not in the game.
Posted on 5/21/19 at 10:42 pm to Chad504boy
quote:
Starting to think Clippers are the ideal trade candidate
People are sleeping on the Clips package for sure. Their young guys fit nicely with Jrue and Zion. Gallinari can play with Zion or be flipped. At this point I’m not sold on Riley being able to fix that Miami situation any time soon.
Don’t like the Lakers package. I’m not sold on any of the Knicks young players except Mitchell, but I’m not even sure how many minutes he would play if Zion plays a lot of 5. Plus I don’t like RJ for the Pels.
Definitely like the Tatum package. Also, Vegas Buffet is a troll or a moron.
This post was edited on 5/21/19 at 10:43 pm
Posted on 5/21/19 at 11:22 pm to NOSHAU
quote:
All teams are in the game until a deal is done. You, as a Celtics fan. claim that the Celtics are virtually a lock to get AD yet you do not see the Celtics giving up both Tatum and Brown or the Memphis pick. So, I guess no one else has any asset close to Tatum?
Half the league is not in the game. Magic, Heat, Pistons, Spurs, Cavs, Warriors, Jazz, Rockets, Nets, Pacers... could go on but I just got bored.
Also lurked this board for months while you guys had threads about trading AD for Zion or Morant almost exclusively. Everyone knew this was about the Knicks or Lakers getting a top 1-2 pick or not, going back to February. And now you tripping because Celts lost to the team with the best record, best defense and highest scoring average.
Whatever. We will see what happens in a few weeks.
Posted on 5/21/19 at 11:37 pm to Vegas Buffet
quote:
Everyone knew this was about the Knicks or Lakers getting a top 1-2 pick or not, going back to February. And now you tripping because Celts lost to the team with the best record, best defense and highest scoring average.
You're right that Boston's competitors didn't get as much leverage as the Pels would have liked. However, before winning the lottery the Pels had to find a way to turn the AD trade return into a star level player. Now they just need to turn it into a supporting cast and enough future assets to maintain flexibility as they build around Zion.
I think the winning trade package will largely depend on what the spare parts of the various packages can be flipped for. In some ways an "everything but Tatum" offer might be more acceptable to the Pels now than a Tatum only deal, and just a few weeks ago a deal without Tatum was a non starter.
Posted on 5/22/19 at 12:29 am to TigerinATL
quote:
You're right that Boston's competitors didn't get as much leverage as the Pels would have liked. However, before winning the lottery the Pels had to find a way to turn the AD trade return into a star level player. Now they just need to turn it into a supporting cast and enough future assets to maintain flexibility as they build around Zion.
I think the winning trade package will largely depend on what the spare parts of the various packages can be flipped for. In some ways an "everything but Tatum" offer might be more acceptable to the Pels now than a Tatum only deal, and just a few weeks ago a deal without Tatum was a non starter.
Feel like you guys have been doing the build around one star thing for a while now to no avail. Meanwhile, most champions have a top 5 player playing alongside two other top 25 players. Warriors do even better than that right now. The role players you put around elite platers are literally a dime a dozen.
Tatum and the Grizz pick give you that best chance at having other elite pieces around Zion, IMO. Yeah, that pick could come in at 7 our 8 next year, but in terms of teams you want to bet against in 2021, Memphis is a clear favorite over far more capable and proven front offices in Dallas and Miami. And you can still tank for a year with absolutely no backlash or significant loss of revenue.
I mean, you'd have to really like Barrett to think otherwise, IMO. And the Clippers? Again, that's just asinine.
Last, not only does Boston have the best centerpiece, I'd argue pretty strongly that they also have the best secondary assets to offer as well.
Posted on 5/22/19 at 12:59 am to NOSHAU
quote:
Kings not trading Hield after what it took to get him and how much they love him.
Sunk cost fallacy
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