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Posted on 10/16/23 at 11:44 am to LSUgrad88
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And tell me what team lost their two best players for half the season or more.
Ingram didn't miss half the season.
Posted on 10/16/23 at 12:59 pm to brmark70816
He missed 37 games; 41 is half. Really big deal there chief. Zion played 29 games and missed 53; well more than half. Combined they played 74 games of a possible 164. Again, find me a team that had their best two players miss that much time. I'll be waiting.
Posted on 10/16/23 at 1:55 pm to LSUgrad88
Cunningham: 12 games
Bogdanovic: 59 games
Got ‘em
Bogdanovic: 59 games
Got ‘em
Posted on 10/16/23 at 1:59 pm to LSUgrad88
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I'll be waiting.
You can do the research yourself. You are asking for something very specific and somewhat arbitrary. 'One that missed most of the year and another that missed a big chunk'. There are a few teams that had similar circumstances (Suns, Lakers, Nets, Wolves, Pistons, Bucks, Clippers..). We'd have to go through each and debate impact. It all comes back to complaining about injuries. Everybody deals with them..
Posted on 10/16/23 at 2:42 pm to brmark70816
quote:Your 2 best players missing more games than any other team's top 2 players is not arbitrary at all.
You are asking for something very specific and somewhat arbitrary
You're basically arguing that BI/Zion missing time is no different than Jose/Nance missing time.
quote:Any of those teams had their 2 best players 90 games or more?
There are a few teams that had similar circumstances (Suns, Lakers, Nets, Wolves, Pistons, Bucks, Clippers..).
quote:None had players with the impact of Zion/BI miss 90 games or more.
We'd have to go through each and debate impact.
quote:So, you're of the belief that injuries affected all 30 teams exactly equally last season, and no team were adversely affected for the better or worse due to injuries, right?
It all comes back to complaining about injuries. Everybody deals with them..
Posted on 10/16/23 at 3:07 pm to shel311
Did you pay to see the site? How did you pull the information?
It is by nature. Why pick out that number? Why not 3? Why not all staters? Some teams don't have a big 2 or 3. So injuries affect everyone differently.
Once again, why 90? So if I find groups at 60, 70 or 80 (but more injuries in the extended core) they don't matter as much?
I'm of the belief that bitching about injuries for the better part of a decade is weak. I'm certain both Zion and Ingram could have played more. But they decided not to do it. I just hate every argument around team performance coming down to injuries and we are the only team that deals with them..
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Your 2 best players missing more games than any other team's top 2 players is not arbitrary at all.
It is by nature. Why pick out that number? Why not 3? Why not all staters? Some teams don't have a big 2 or 3. So injuries affect everyone differently.
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Any of those teams had their 2 best players 90 games or more?
Once again, why 90? So if I find groups at 60, 70 or 80 (but more injuries in the extended core) they don't matter as much?
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So, you're of the belief that injuries affected all 30 teams exactly equally last season, and no team were adversely affected for the better or worse due to injuries, right?
I'm of the belief that bitching about injuries for the better part of a decade is weak. I'm certain both Zion and Ingram could have played more. But they decided not to do it. I just hate every argument around team performance coming down to injuries and we are the only team that deals with them..
Posted on 10/16/23 at 3:11 pm to brmark70816
quote:Seriously? You think I made that number up?
Once again, why 90?
quote:No, not as much as the Pels missing their best 2 players for 90 games. And more injuries to the extended core, good luck finding that since the Pels were also top 3 in total games missed, meaning other guys were missing games too.
So if I find groups at 60, 70 or 80 (but more injuries in the extended core) they don't matter as much?
quote:Quite literally the point others are trying to get across to you that you are disagreeing with.
So injuries affect everyone differently.
quote:Some bitch about it, sure. But simply stating facts is not bitching. There is a difference between an explanation and an excuse. Me saying the Kings had better injury luck than the Pels last season is not an excuse, it is an explanation.
I'm of the belief that bitching about injuries for the better part of a decade is weak.
Posted on 10/16/23 at 3:49 pm to shel311
Seriously, how did you get the information about lost games?
I'm not even trying and could go straight to the Bucks. Their big 3 missed 83 games (to the Pelicans big 3 missing 97). Bucks were one of the oldest teams in the league and had tons of guys miss tons of games.
They got no leeway from anyone. People still killed them after being ousted by the Heat.
No they are not. They are hiding behind, like people do every year.
Little of this and a little of that. Sure, it's a factor. But we can't blame it every year. Even more, maybe it means something, like don't build around injury prone or soft players..
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No, not as much as the Pels missing their best 2 players for 90 games. And more injuries to the extended core, good luck finding that since the Pels were also top 3 in total games missed, meaning other guys were missing games too.
I'm not even trying and could go straight to the Bucks. Their big 3 missed 83 games (to the Pelicans big 3 missing 97). Bucks were one of the oldest teams in the league and had tons of guys miss tons of games.
They got no leeway from anyone. People still killed them after being ousted by the Heat.
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Quite literally the point others are trying to get across to you that you are disagreeing with.
No they are not. They are hiding behind, like people do every year.
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Me saying the Kings had better injury luck than the Pels last season is not an excuse, it is an explanation
Little of this and a little of that. Sure, it's a factor. But we can't blame it every year. Even more, maybe it means something, like don't build around injury prone or soft players..
Posted on 10/16/23 at 4:05 pm to brmark70816
quote:See the tweet I posted, go to that Twitter handle.
Seriously, how did you get the information about lost games?
quote:So much healthier than the Pels in that their best 3 players missed less games than the Pels best 2 players...huge difference in health compared to the Bucks for the worst for the Pels.
I'm not even trying and could go straight to the Bucks. Their big 3 missed 83 games (to the Pelicans big 3 missing 97). Bucks were one of the oldest teams in the league and had tons of guys miss tons of games.
quote:A lot of people recognized Giannis was limited in that series due to injury.
They got no leeway from anyone. People still killed them after being ousted by the Heat.
quote:You can when your best player averages 14.5 games played the past 2 seasons. Again, not an excuse but a factual explanation.
But we can't blame it every year.
Posted on 10/16/23 at 4:19 pm to Draconian Sanctions
Ingram is a couple years of retirement - the end is near
With Zion exiting his prime and Ingram nearing retirement, I expect the pels to be the worst team in the league.
With Zion exiting his prime and Ingram nearing retirement, I expect the pels to be the worst team in the league.
This post was edited on 10/16/23 at 4:21 pm
Posted on 10/16/23 at 5:15 pm to shel311
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See the tweet I posted, go to that Twitter handle.
It's a paid site. Or is there another I missed?
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So much healthier than the Pels in that their best 3 players missed less games than the Pels best 2 players...huge difference in health compared to the Bucks for the worst for the Pels.
I don't understand why we can't extend out to 3 players or the starters. Are we really that top heavy? If so, that's irresponsible team construction.
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You can when your best player averages 14.5 games played the past 2 seasons. Again, not an excuse but a factual explanation.
It's both. Especially when it's spun forward as a reason they should be dramatically better this year. I don't get why it would be different this coming season. We are never going to have perfect health. Especially when a lot of our players choose not to play (then blame injuries)..
Posted on 10/16/23 at 5:15 pm to Draconian Sanctions
45 wins
If healthy
35
If unhealthy
If healthy
35
If unhealthy
Posted on 10/16/23 at 5:33 pm to brmark70816
quote:Not sure why you're fixated on that, you literally confirmed that our best 2 players missed more games than Milwaukee's best 3 players, that is a HUGE difference.
I don't understand why we can't extend out to 3 players or the starters
quote:You don't think we'd be better this year compared to last year if BI and Zion both play, say, 65 games or so?
It's both. Especially when it's spun forward as a reason they should be dramatically better this year.
Posted on 10/16/23 at 5:40 pm to brmark70816
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I don't understand why we can't extend out to 3 players or the starters.
That's just it, the Pels injuries were extended past just BI and Zion. . its bad enough when your top two payers can't stay healthy. But then when your third best player plays pretty much the entire season with a bad hand that immediately requires surgery when the season ends; when really important rotational players like Jose and Larry miss a bunch of time, when another starter (Herb) misses almost twenty games, it makes it hard to consistently win in this league. Call it an excuse or an explanation, but it WAS reality last year. To deny that is just being obtuse.
Posted on 10/16/23 at 5:40 pm to shel311
Hollinger finally writing something about the Pels we can all agree with.
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JC’s Pops @JDub9911
@johnhollinger describes how I feel about the Pelicans to a tee.
Posted on 10/16/23 at 5:43 pm to TigerinATL
That is embarrassingly very truthful.
Posted on 10/16/23 at 5:45 pm to TigerinATL
Well done, Hollinger
41 wins is the perfect frick it I have no idea prediction for the Pels.
41 wins is the perfect frick it I have no idea prediction for the Pels.
Posted on 10/18/23 at 10:44 pm to Draconian Sanctions
49 - 33
Best Zion year we’ve seen or ever will see may very well be this year.
BI does his thing and flourishes with open mid range shots and more aggressive catch and shoot 3’s.
CJ thrives as a 3rd and 4th option and open shooting opportunities as a result.
Herb continues to improve on offense and becomes a dangerous corner 3 shooter.
JV does his usual.
Trey comes back and after a month or so he’s the best Trey we’ve ever seen.
Nance, Jose, Dyson stay healthy and excel as a diverse defensive unit with some 3 point shooting and rebounding, and with Trey making them one of the best benches in the league.
The rookie steps in and hits a few 3’s regularly despite struggling on D.
5 seed and go up against Lakers in the first round.
Best Zion year we’ve seen or ever will see may very well be this year.
BI does his thing and flourishes with open mid range shots and more aggressive catch and shoot 3’s.
CJ thrives as a 3rd and 4th option and open shooting opportunities as a result.
Herb continues to improve on offense and becomes a dangerous corner 3 shooter.
JV does his usual.
Trey comes back and after a month or so he’s the best Trey we’ve ever seen.
Nance, Jose, Dyson stay healthy and excel as a diverse defensive unit with some 3 point shooting and rebounding, and with Trey making them one of the best benches in the league.
The rookie steps in and hits a few 3’s regularly despite struggling on D.
5 seed and go up against Lakers in the first round.
Posted on 10/19/23 at 11:07 am to brmark70816
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This post was edited on 10/19/23 at 11:09 am
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