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Smokescreen Season: Ben Mathurin could be in consideration for Pistons at 5
Posted on 6/13/22 at 2:47 pm
Posted on 6/13/22 at 2:47 pm
According to an Athletic article, Mathurin had a very good workout recently for the Pistons and they are pretty interested in him. Possibly enough to take him at 5.
I personally do not believe this and think its either an agent doing work or teams going smokescreen.
But just putting it out there. That would have a very interesting ripple effect.
I personally do not believe this and think its either an agent doing work or teams going smokescreen.
But just putting it out there. That would have a very interesting ripple effect.
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Posted on 6/13/22 at 2:49 pm to Fun Bunch
Don’t see them passing on Murray especially if they plan to trade Grant.
Posted on 6/13/22 at 2:50 pm to supe12sta12z
I think they are just doing due diligence in case a deal to move back happens. I cannot see them picking him at 5 and just think its typical pre-draft BS.
Posted on 6/13/22 at 2:55 pm to Fun Bunch
That would be laughable
Posted on 6/13/22 at 3:04 pm to Fun Bunch
Would be awesome if that happened
Posted on 6/13/22 at 3:05 pm to Fun Bunch
Doubt this.
If it does happen, someone’s going to be available who shouldn’t have been.
If it does happen, someone’s going to be available who shouldn’t have been.
Posted on 6/13/22 at 3:12 pm to Fun Bunch
Also, the Athletic article says whomever is left out of Ivey and Mathurin would likely be the pick.
That would be nuts.
That would be nuts.
Posted on 6/13/22 at 3:19 pm to Fun Bunch
Mathurin is better than people think he is. His skillset translates to being a great number 2 in training for MOST teams.
Posted on 6/13/22 at 3:24 pm to Fun Bunch
After you get through the top 4 of Jabari, Chet, Banchero and Ivey
I think all the other guys are interchangeable based on personal preference, need, their workouts, interviews, etc
Personally I think Keegan is probably the 5th best guy, but is he the 5th best prospect? Or is he just a safe Otto Porter type?
I don’t think Math with that type of athleticism is laughable at 5.
Also, I haven’t watched an interview yet of the kid, but I’ve read transcripts of some and he consistently says the right things and has a nice back story and overall perspective on life and basketball.
When there is a clear tier 1 and a jumbled tier 2. You might just go with the human you like the most if you are picking out of tier two.
A team could easily fall in love with him and pick him at 5, 6 or 7.
Detroit is in a good position because they have a 6ft 8 point guard who is going to be a very strong and diverse player. It makes team building relatively flexible and easy. They aren’t tied into picking for a specific need or position persay.
90% ile Athletic profile, good shooter, elite human, good college production with marked improvement from year 1 to 2, might sell them more than an older Keegan Murray, a 53% ft shooting Dyson Daniels, or a zero tape, maybe slightly different vibe (not grind City Detroit type) guy like Sharpe.
I think all the other guys are interchangeable based on personal preference, need, their workouts, interviews, etc
Personally I think Keegan is probably the 5th best guy, but is he the 5th best prospect? Or is he just a safe Otto Porter type?
I don’t think Math with that type of athleticism is laughable at 5.
Also, I haven’t watched an interview yet of the kid, but I’ve read transcripts of some and he consistently says the right things and has a nice back story and overall perspective on life and basketball.
When there is a clear tier 1 and a jumbled tier 2. You might just go with the human you like the most if you are picking out of tier two.
A team could easily fall in love with him and pick him at 5, 6 or 7.
Detroit is in a good position because they have a 6ft 8 point guard who is going to be a very strong and diverse player. It makes team building relatively flexible and easy. They aren’t tied into picking for a specific need or position persay.
90% ile Athletic profile, good shooter, elite human, good college production with marked improvement from year 1 to 2, might sell them more than an older Keegan Murray, a 53% ft shooting Dyson Daniels, or a zero tape, maybe slightly different vibe (not grind City Detroit type) guy like Sharpe.
Posted on 6/13/22 at 3:35 pm to 3PieceSpicy
detroit just needs talent, if they think the ceiling/floor for someone like mathurin is better than murray than go for it.
the only untradeable they have right now is honestly cade. That's 4 other positions they need to sort out.
the only untradeable they have right now is honestly cade. That's 4 other positions they need to sort out.
Posted on 6/13/22 at 3:37 pm to 50_Tiger
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Mathurin is better than people think he is. His skillset translates to being a great number 2 in training for MOST teams.
His likely ceiling is as a high level role player, I would honestly be pretty shocked if he was a 2nd option on a good team. He's a guy that's going to have to get his numbers off of creation from others.
I think self creation is his big swing factor, but I don't know how you project that going forward when he showed so little of it over two seasons at Arizona. On top of that he doesn't have a inbetween game, he was bad from midrange and he was bad from the push/floater area.
and honestly, I keep saying this, he shot 36.9% from three this season. That's a hair above average. He hasn't proven to be the shooter that he's been touted as.
Posted on 6/13/22 at 3:45 pm to CP3forMVP
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keep saying this, he shot 36.9% from three this season. That's a hair above average
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That would put him just behind TM3 and we all believe he is a more than capable shooter.
Not to mention the hefty jump in this percentage from year 1 to 2.
Ben can put the ball on the floor and create his own shot. There are flat out just not enough people in the league who can do that, plus shoot on the move, plus shoot threes at a respectable rate.
If and admittedly a big IF, he can get his defense up to par, he is without a doubt some team's number 2 option.
Posted on 6/13/22 at 3:46 pm to CP3forMVP
Shot 41.8% on less volume the year before. Solid shooting stroke. He has a higher potential with his combine #s.
Someone said he's a "better rebounding" Malik Monk.
I think you're right that's what he's likely to be.
Someone said he's a "better rebounding" Malik Monk.
I think you're right that's what he's likely to be.
Posted on 6/13/22 at 3:53 pm to 50_Tiger
quote:eh not really or at least not as good as you’re implying.
Ben can put the ball on the floor and create his own shot.
Posted on 6/13/22 at 4:17 pm to htran90
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Shot 41.8% on less volume the year before. Solid shooting stroke. He has a higher potential with his combine #s.
I think he'll be a solid shooter in the league, I don't think he'll ever be a marksman, but he'll be alright. He'll have really good nights, and he'll have really bad nights.
But with that said, you have to look at his entire history. Prior to arriving at Arizona as a Freshman, one of the agreed upon things he needed to continue to develop was his outside shot, it was still a work in progress. Then, he shoots 42% as a Freshman, and comes back down to earth at 37% as a Sophomore. That 42% seems like an outlier at this point.
Posted on 6/13/22 at 4:20 pm to Fun Bunch
Don't think it's a smokescreen.
Pistons fans LOVE Mathurin. Perfect guy to play off Cade.
Pistons fans LOVE Mathurin. Perfect guy to play off Cade.
Posted on 6/13/22 at 4:22 pm to CP3forMVP
Honestly guys like Monk, shades of JR, and Terrence Ross aren’t bad comps for Mathurin. He is a bit more mature than JR and Monk tho and had better leadership qualities while at Arizona.
This post was edited on 6/13/22 at 4:24 pm
Posted on 6/13/22 at 4:23 pm to 50_Tiger
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That would put him just behind TM3 and we all believe he is a more than capable shooter.
Not to mention the hefty jump in this percentage from year 1 to 2.
Ben can put the ball on the floor and create his own shot. There are flat out just not enough people in the league who can do that, plus shoot on the move, plus shoot threes at a respectable rate.
If and admittedly a big IF, he can get his defense up to par, he is without a doubt some team's number 2 option.
It's interesting you bring up Murphy, because the raw numbers are similar. 42% as a Freshman, dips down to 37% as a Sophomore, then back up to 43% in his third season. I guess the question is, and we may not get the full answer quickly, because obviously there's a big difference between the Pac-12 and the NBA, does Mathurin become a sniper again, or does he hover around average?
I will say the one difference between the two, and their paths, is that Trey was always thought of as a shooter. He shot 44% from three coming out of High School. Mathurin's path isn't the same. He was thought highly of because of his athleticism, his length, etc, but the shot wasn't there yet.
And Mathurin can't put the ball on the floor and create his own shot. He showed flashes of being able to take a dribble or two and get off his three, but he's not a guy you're going to be able to give the ball and he gets his buckets. That's not his game.
This post was edited on 6/13/22 at 4:31 pm
Posted on 6/13/22 at 4:37 pm to CP3forMVP
Matthy’s shot quality was probably lower last year than his freshman year. I think that can explain the percentage drop off. He was asked to carry more of the load and he was on more scouting reports in year 2.
If he did happen to fall to 8, he wouldn’t have to worry about taking difficult shots here. Bi, Zion, CJ and Jonas all command so much attention; Matthy is going to be wide open on 3’s, cuts and fastbreak opps.
Basically Matthy would be a 100 times better version of Graham for us. Because Graham also has zero in between game, but he’s also about 2 feet shorter than Mathy.
If he did happen to fall to 8, he wouldn’t have to worry about taking difficult shots here. Bi, Zion, CJ and Jonas all command so much attention; Matthy is going to be wide open on 3’s, cuts and fastbreak opps.
Basically Matthy would be a 100 times better version of Graham for us. Because Graham also has zero in between game, but he’s also about 2 feet shorter than Mathy.
Posted on 6/13/22 at 4:46 pm to CP3forMVP
quote:
and honestly, I keep saying this, he shot 36.9% from three this season.
To be fair, a large portion of his shots were contested or movement attempts, it’s not like he was sitting in a corner and just shooting spot up uncontested catch and shoot 3’s.
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