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re: Sign and trade cousins for derozan
Posted on 5/16/18 at 9:13 am to TigerinATL
Posted on 5/16/18 at 9:13 am to TigerinATL
I wasn't sure what the apron situation was. I didn't know if we had to match salary exactly or if we could only accept if we have less salary coming in that coming out.
so I was thinking if Boogie got $32 mil, we could get Porter's $24 mil plus Morris's $8 mil. could be completely wrong but that was my thought
however if they give Boogie less than the max, toss me Satoransky which puts the total plus Porter at $27 mil.
so I was thinking if Boogie got $32 mil, we could get Porter's $24 mil plus Morris's $8 mil. could be completely wrong but that was my thought
however if they give Boogie less than the max, toss me Satoransky which puts the total plus Porter at $27 mil.
This post was edited on 5/16/18 at 9:20 am
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Posted on 5/16/18 at 9:13 am to TeddyPadillac
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I'd have no problem with an offense that leads the league in points in the paint
And bottom half in FTA?
Posted on 5/16/18 at 9:20 am to TigerinATL
Did crewz quit twitter again?
Posted on 5/16/18 at 9:29 am to SLafourche07
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And bottom half in FTA?
AD was one of the leaders this year in FTA. finished with the 4th most FTA per game. DeRozan finished 10th in that.
I think Jrue has gained some respect this offseason and will see more calls next season.
We averaged 21 FTA a game this past year, middle of the pack in the league. Simply adding DeRozan instead of Solo, with Jrue getting more respect, and we'd likely be the league leader, since the leader was Charlotte with 27, and that's b/c of teams fouling Dwight constantly. The Clips, OKC and Rockets were at 25 per game.
Posted on 5/16/18 at 9:34 am to rallyTiger
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Sign and trade cousins for derozan
Derozan is mentally weak. Not enough chest for a champion.
Posted on 5/16/18 at 9:49 am to msutiger
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Derozan wouldn’t be trash surrounded by playoff Rondo, evil Jrue and of course, AD
So how is Rondo supposed to help a guy that can't shoot there's and needs the ball in his hands? Let's not mention how having Demarr and Rondo on the court would be death to spacing.
Posted on 5/16/18 at 10:09 am to 504Voodoo
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Let's not mention how having Demarr and Rondo on the court would be death to spacing.
people keep mentioning this.
How on earth can you think the spacing will not be better with DeRozan over Solo? Who cares if he can't shoot threes. Richard Hamilton wasn't some great 3 point shooter. DeRozan shoots aroudn 40% from the midrange for his career, Hamilton was around 42%. DeRozan is a much better athlete, and gets to the line a good bit more. You don't have to be a 3 point shooter to create space on offense.
If all you are going to do is sit at the three point line and never move, like Solo, then yeah, you aren't doing a damn thing to help with spacing. If you're moving around and you are a threat from the mid range, and can take your man 1 on 1 to the goal at will, and you get to the line 7 times a game, you help with spacing simply b/c when you drive to the goal, help is needed and you get the defense chasing after you pass the ball off the help.
The Pels were at their best this year, much like the Warriors, when everyone is moving and passing the ball and they are getting 30 assists in a game. You create space simply by moving people and the ball around. The Spurs have been doing this for over 2 decades.
Posted on 5/16/18 at 10:21 am to 504Voodoo
Appreciate the responses my fellow pels, i was just reading nba news, saw Toronto was shopping him around, and just wanted to gauge board about what yall thought. Think derozan could work with rondo running the point, and holiday at 2, and derozan at 3. Can derozan play the 3?
Posted on 5/16/18 at 10:28 am to rallyTiger
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Can derozan play the 3?
he's 6'7" 220
The Raptors wouldnt' take Cousins, and i would imagine if they are shopping DeRozan, they want a pick and a young player back in return as well as some cap relief.
Posted on 5/16/18 at 10:58 am to TigerinATL
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They are in a tricky tax situation and don't have a tone of spare players. I doubt they throw in a 1st. You want a few 2nds?
Not really, but I would take Sato. Satoransky + Porter is $29.1M.
Actually my ideal trade would be:
WAS Out: Porter + Sato + Mahinmi+ 2018 1st
WAS In: Boogie
NOP Out: Anjiica + Boogie + 2018 2nd
NOP In: Porter + Sato + Muscala
ATL Out: Muscala
ATL In: Mahinmi + Anjiica + 2018 WAS 1st + 2018 NOP 2nd
Washington would have room to breathe and could get a backup PG to replace Sato.
Posted on 5/16/18 at 11:05 am to rallyTiger
Raps probably don't want Boogie. Porter for Boogie makes more sense for both sides.
S&T's don't ever happen, though. I think there have been four in the last 10-15 years years.
S&T's don't ever happen, though. I think there have been four in the last 10-15 years years.
Posted on 5/16/18 at 11:05 am to TeddyPadillac
all of these conversations need to be prefaced w/ regular season v playoffs context. in the regular season, it wont matter as much. in the playoffs it will matter much more.
you're right that it isn't as simple as he can't hit 3s, but you have to do work to create spacing if you can't be a spot up threat and it's not clear DeRozan is going to do that work the way Draymond or Iguodala do.
if you're putting the ball in his hands, it's not an issue. but do the Pels really want to turn the ball over to him w/ Davis, Holiday, even Rondo on the floor? if not, in the playoffs, teams will continue to ignore him just like we saw with Rondo/Hill.
DeRozan is a very good player who has gotten better every year. not sure he really makes much sense at all for the Pels even w/o Cousins
you're right that it isn't as simple as he can't hit 3s, but you have to do work to create spacing if you can't be a spot up threat and it's not clear DeRozan is going to do that work the way Draymond or Iguodala do.
if you're putting the ball in his hands, it's not an issue. but do the Pels really want to turn the ball over to him w/ Davis, Holiday, even Rondo on the floor? if not, in the playoffs, teams will continue to ignore him just like we saw with Rondo/Hill.
DeRozan is a very good player who has gotten better every year. not sure he really makes much sense at all for the Pels even w/o Cousins
Posted on 5/16/18 at 11:11 am to TeddyPadillac
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How on earth can you think the spacing will not be better with DeRozan over Solo?
Solo has never started with Rondo. Rondo, Jrue, AD and Derozan would severely compromise spacing. We need to expand the area other teams need to cover to allow Jrue and Rondo to do their thing.
Solo is a backup, Moore started. So you have to compare the spacing from Moore to Derozan. Derozan, Jrue, and Rondo are not going to be able to get to the line taking their man 1 on 1 due to the the amount of help defenders in and around the lane if you are playing a single above average perimeter shooter.
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The Pels were at their best this year, much like the Warriors, when everyone is moving and passing the ball and they are getting 30 assists in a game. You create space simply by moving people and the ball around. The Spurs have been doing this for over 2 decades.
You cannot manufacture space just by cutting. The Spurs and Warriors have enabled easy cuts by having incredible 3 pt shooting. Prior to this season in the last 12 years the Spurs were ranked 1st, 2nd, 6th, 1st, 4th, 1st, 1st, 11th, 3rd, 11th, 3rd, and 2nd in 3pt%. The Warriors have been ranked 1st, 3rd, 1st, 1st, 4th, 1st, 2nd, 2nd, and 4th in 3pt%. Get out of here with that.
This post was edited on 5/16/18 at 11:12 am
Posted on 5/16/18 at 1:06 pm to NOFOX
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Solo has never started with Rondo.
Well he will this year. Moore isn't a starting 3. I know you know that.
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The Spurs and Warriors have enabled easy cuts by having incredible 3 pt shooting.
The Spurs have played many seasons with at least 2 guys on the court at all times that don't shoot 3's in Parker and Duncan, and they usually have some other 5 out there that can't shoot period, much less shoot a 3. I'm talking pre Kawhi here. I know they have good 3 point shooters. Those 3 point shooters get wide open looks b/c they have a post presence that requires attention in Duncan, and a guard who wasn't a 3 point shooter that could break any defense down by getting to the paint. Their offense is predicated on movement and passing constantly to keep the defense moving until they get an open shot or lane to the goal when the defense breaks down.
Posted on 5/16/18 at 1:20 pm to NOFOX
replace porter with nola boy oubre jr and i'm in
Posted on 5/16/18 at 1:52 pm to TeddyPadillac
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Well he will this year. Moore isn't a starting 3. I know you know that.
I don't know that he will. Look at the playoffs, they practically did not guard him or Rondo on the perimeter. I think they are going to stagger Solo/Rondo and start Moore still depending on matchups. They seemed to like the 3 guard lineup when they can get away with it and Dell/Gentry was clear they plan to be active in free agency to acquire length on the perimeter.
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he Spurs have played many seasons with at least 2 guys on the court at all times that don't shoot 3's in Parker and Duncan, and they usually have some other 5 out there that can't shoot period, much less shoot a 3. I'm talking pre Kawhi here. I know they have good 3 point shooters. Those 3 point shooters get wide open looks b/c they have a post presence that requires attention in Duncan, and a guard who wasn't a 3 point shooter that could break any defense down by getting to the paint. Their offense is predicated on movement and passing constantly to keep the defense moving until they get an open shot or lane to the goal when the defense breaks down.
I do not think that will work without multiple above average outside shooters working through the lineup. Kawhi, Green, Ginobili, Mills are all very good from 3. Not to mention their other bigs (Pau, Dedmon, Aldridge, Bonner, Diaw) have been able to knock down open 3's. They use movement to get open shots, but they also use above average perimeter shooting to get easy buckets. Teams don't sag off the Spurs shooters and clog the lane.
I believe that the lack of perimeter shooting in a lineup of Rondo/Jrue/Derozan/Niko/AD would compromise a movement based offense. You are basically conceding the 3 and accepting an unsustainable amount of midrange attempts. You would have excellent midrange shooters, but even still I think that lineup is too suscpetible to scheming and you would have to sub out Rondo for Moore.
Posted on 5/16/18 at 8:57 pm to DeionDeion
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Now I still think Boogie is worth more than just Porter. Even Boogie coming off an achilles injury.
This is the part I kept waiting to read.
It all works other than boogie just being a better player. Would the S&T require equal money
Posted on 5/16/18 at 10:33 pm to OceanMan
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Would the S&T require equal money
Close. You have to be under the $127 million Tax Apron when you've completed the S&T for it to be legal. Washington will be about $2-$2.5 million below the projected Tax Apron with their current contract commitments. So if they take more back it can only be a little more. Boogie at $30 for Porter at $26 wouldn't work because the Wizards taking back $4 million more than they send out is too much. They'd either need to play Cousins less than the max or send out other players with Porter.
This post was edited on 5/16/18 at 10:34 pm
Posted on 5/17/18 at 7:51 am to TeddyPadillac
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people keep mentioning this.
How on earth can you think the spacing will not be better with DeRozan over Solo? Who cares if he can't shoot threes. Richard Hamilton wasn't some great 3 point shooter. DeRozan shoots aroudn 40% from the midrange for his career, Hamilton was around 42%. DeRozan is a much better athlete, and gets to the line a good bit more. You don't have to be a 3 point shooter to create space on offense.
If all you are going to do is sit at the three point line and never move, like Solo, then yeah, you aren't doing a damn thing to help with spacing. If you're moving around and you are a threat from the mid range, and can take your man 1 on 1 to the goal at will, and you get to the line 7 times a game, you help with spacing simply b/c when you drive to the goal, help is needed and you get the defense chasing after you pass the ball off the help.
The Pels were at their best this year, much like the Warriors, when everyone is moving and passing the ball and they are getting 30 assists in a game. You create space simply by moving people and the ball around. The Spurs have been doing this for over 2 decades.
A Rip and Derozan comparison is not apples to apples. We saw what GSW did to Rondo when he didn't have the ball. They simply refused to guard him. Derozan is a is midrange scorer in the mold of Kobe. He needs the ball whereas RIP was c8nstantly moving off ball like Ray Allen, Klay, Reggie Miller.
Posted on 5/17/18 at 11:56 am to TPecoraro23
Your part 2 is one of the most ridiculous things I’ve ever seen
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