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re: Shams says Pelicans are “aggressively pursuing” a top 2-3 pick for Scoot
Posted on 6/13/23 at 11:33 am to SCLSUMuddogs
Posted on 6/13/23 at 11:33 am to SCLSUMuddogs
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Some people need their personal lives to blow up in their face in order for them to wake up. For all we know, this recent shite could be that shot in the arm. I've been of the opinion that this next season will be make or break for Zion's tenure with New Orleans. Let's just let it play out
I would say that putting it out there publicly that we're not opposed to trading Zion could be a motivator for some guys. Not sure it would work on this dude though. He might be more pissed that we didn't trade him.
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Posted on 6/13/23 at 11:35 am to Pels_Yaz
quote:embiid is also a better leader and has been a good representative of the team. Dudes been all sixers since the start and seemed like a mature guy. Zion on the other hand
think hes referring more to the fact Embiid was injured a lot early and then became a superstar and MVP. I dont think he was comparing their actual on court playing style.
You look at all these last championship teams. Hardly any have any people with off the court drama either with the team or in his personal life. Zions mental aint where it needs to be. By the time he realizes he needs to grow up it might be too late for his body.
This post was edited on 6/13/23 at 11:37 am
Posted on 6/13/23 at 11:35 am to SCLSUMuddogs
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I just don't think it's worth our time to speculate about discussions that are going on behind closed doors.
If you truly cared about the worth of your time, you'd be somewhere else right now. Speculating on stuff they don't know enough to talk about is like 90% of what people talk about on the Internet.
As for the Embiid comp, I was talking about health mainly. What we get from Zion with a similar number of games played as Embiid, which is a career high of 68 games and an average of 60.5 if you ignore his first 3 years.
This post was edited on 6/13/23 at 11:38 am
Posted on 6/13/23 at 11:36 am to ghost2most
I agree with you. It could have the opposite effect and him demanding a trade if this doesn’t go through. Which means we’ll be desperate and lose all trading leverage. Although we still got a haul for AD so who knows.
Posted on 6/13/23 at 11:37 am to ghost2most
quote:Whole lot of assumptions going on there. When he was not here, we go on a 10 game losing streak. When he was here, we were #1 in the west. Your solution? Trade him away for an unproven rookie?
I don't think Zion will have a long career. He seems to be regressing in maturity and not getting better.
I wouldn't be shocked if CJ had a heart to heart with Willie/Griff and was like, this dude doesn't get it.
I definitely don't think Zion is "in" with the core guys. He's aloof.
I also think that they could be scared of what happens if he comes back and then gets hurt again. Fans will revolt and team will be despondent - 10 game losing streak incoming.
Posted on 6/13/23 at 11:38 am to Macintosh
quote:Embiid is also 29. Zion is 22
You look at all these last championship teams. Hardly any have any people with off the court drama either with the team or in his personal life. Zions mental aint where it needs to be. By the time he realizes he needs to grow up it might be too late for his body.
Posted on 6/13/23 at 11:39 am to NOSHAU
I mean its a gamble but its also a gamble relying and building around a guy that is immature off the court and cant stay healthy for even half a season. Honestly, Im getting tired of the Zion shite and will take my chance with yes an unproven rookie but also one of the two best talents in the deepest drafts in years.
Posted on 6/13/23 at 11:40 am to NOSHAU
quote:I was talking about during the early years with embiid. Not present embiid
Embiid is also 29. Zion is 22
This post was edited on 6/13/23 at 11:41 am
Posted on 6/13/23 at 11:41 am to Pels_Yaz
quote:Which is why I am glad you are on a message board and not our GM. He is a generational talent and only 22. I am not giving up yet.
I mean its a gamble but its also a gamble relying and building around a guy that is immature off the court and cant stay healthy for even half a season. Honestly, Im getting tired of the Zion shite and will take my chance with yes an unproven rookie but also one of the two best talents in the deepest drafts in years.
Posted on 6/13/23 at 11:43 am to Macintosh
quote:What is all the "drama" you talk about in Zion's personal life? Outside of the crazy Onlyfans attention whore, all he did was have a gender reveal for his baby. Where is all the drama that you seem to think warrants dumping him?
I was talking about during the early years with embiid. Not present embiid
Posted on 6/13/23 at 11:43 am to NOSHAU
Yet there are rumors from Shams our GM is thinking about trading him for Scoot. Yeah, Im on a message board but dont think they’re not considering trading him. Whether they do or not is different story.
Posted on 6/13/23 at 11:45 am to Pels_Yaz
quote:Please quote these rumors from Shams about them trading Zion. He has said nothing of the sort. All he said is the Pelicans are pursuing the #2 or #3 with an eye on Scoot. No player was mentioned and smart odds are on either Charlotte or Portland trying to drum up business for their pick. It happens every year.
Yet there are rumors from Shams our GM is thinking about trading him for Scoot. Yeah, Im on a message board but dont think they’re not considering trading him. Whether they do or not is different story.
This post was edited on 6/13/23 at 11:46 am
Posted on 6/13/23 at 11:45 am to Pels_Yaz
quote:Shams never even said that the Pels were thinking of trading Zion.
Yet there are rumors from Shams our GM is thinking about trading him for Scoot.
He said the Pels were pursuing Scoot, that's the only thing he said the Pels are doing.
Also, it's more than likely this is a Charlotte leak. We may have reached out, we may have never said anything about Zion, but Charlotte could be leaking it out as such to drive up the value.
Posted on 6/13/23 at 11:46 am to ghost2most
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Ok, I think there's something here and I think Griff might rape the Hornets.
Jordan is a terrible exec and he'll absolutely cave if it means getting Zion back in NC so he can sell the team.
quote:
Plus, Zion is absolutely toxic in NOLA right now. Fans hate his arse. Benson might be pushing this too.
The only reason that a Zion for Scoot deal might get done is that it makes so much sense for both teams in terms of ticket sales.
And, again, BI grew up in NC and also went to Duke. He doesn't impact Hornets ticket sales as much as Zion, but he'd still be a very popular addition.
This post was edited on 6/13/23 at 11:48 am
Posted on 6/13/23 at 11:46 am to NOSHAU
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Where is all the drama that you seem to think warrants dumping him?
The whole “I’m not mentally 100%” thing pissed me off because we were fighting for a playoff spot and he couldn’t be assed to show up.
I’m not advocating that we dump him as much as “If someone gives us a Godfather offer, I’ve gotta consider it.”
Posted on 6/13/23 at 11:46 am to NOSHAU
quote:
Please quote these rumors from Shams about them trading Zion. He has said nothing of the sort. All he said is the Pelicans are pursuing the #2 or #3 with an eye on Scoot. No player was mentioned and smart odds are on either Charlotte or Portland trying to drum up business for their pick. It happens every year.
He mentioned Zion by name today, TigerinATL posted it.
It seemed more like speculation than totally sourced, but he specifically mentioned Zion...and not BI.
Posted on 6/13/23 at 11:47 am to NOSHAU
I dont think that baby drama warrants us dumping him. But his constant injuries and lack of conditioning do. Its his fourth year and we’re still talking about how he has issues getting back in shape after injuries. Thats immaturity honestly. The dude missed the whole year after his injuring his hammy in February that’s ridiculous.
Posted on 6/13/23 at 11:48 am to Fun Bunch
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Interesting further comments from Shams this morning in this short clip
LINK
He mentions Zion but not BI as a possible centerpiece. He also reiterates how much the Pels like Scoot and see him as a culture setting franchise guard. Outside of the Pels liking Scoot, it all sounds more speculative than sourced, but mentioning Zion and not BI seems like a pretty big deal coming from Shams.
Posted on 6/13/23 at 11:49 am to NOSHAU
quote:it’s not even strictly his personal life. Obviously it’s this stuff currently but also when he left the team to go to Portland to rehab. Literally every year there’s some drama leaking out that involves Zion and the team. Whether big or small. Feels like no other team consistently deals with this but us.
What is all the "drama" you talk about in Zion's personal life? Outside of the crazy Onlyfans attention whore, all he did was have a gender reveal for his baby. Where is all the drama that you seem to think warrants dumping him?
That being said I’d rather trade BI for scoot before Zion, but I’m not gonna be upset if he’s the one that goes.
Posted on 6/13/23 at 11:50 am to Fun Bunch
Thank you Fun Bunch. It seems like people are still in denial, he may not get traded but the fact that Shams is talking about- means there is definitely discussion going on with Zion being traded.
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