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re: Shams says Pelicans are “aggressively pursuing” a top 2-3 pick for Scoot
Posted on 6/13/23 at 9:44 am to Stamps74
Posted on 6/13/23 at 9:44 am to Stamps74
I love BI, but he is a career .500 player. With his talent, he should be up there with the top players in the NBA, but he just isn't. I wouldn't be opposed to moving him simply because it would force us out of ISO ball when he is in the game.
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Posted on 6/13/23 at 9:48 am to saints5021
Lot of players do ISO ball and honestly needed in playoffs but I agree Ingram hasnt really hit that super elite level many hoped for hence why his name is coming up now.
Posted on 6/13/23 at 9:54 am to Balsamic_duck
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Option 1: Trade Bi for Scoot: you're betting on zion's health and maturity long term and you are betting that scoot will be as good or better than BI.
Option 2: Trade Zion for Scoot: You give up a potentially generational talent. Scoot would have lofty expectations to meet if you traded zion for him and you are betting that ingram can stay healthy.
Option 3: No trade: you are betting on Zion and Ingram's health which to this point has failed you.
If you're making a bet at all it's because of the CBA changes. Those changes are designed to push parity which means you want your top 2 contracts to be as talented as possible. That means you have to bet on Zion.
That leaves you choosing between BI or Scoot + Financial Flexibility.
I still think the play to make is burn a 1st to dump CJ when you have to pay others and hope Herb/Trey/Dyson/Jose all develop enough to let you lose CJ without hurting the team too much.
Posted on 6/13/23 at 9:56 am to TigerinATL
If you ever wanted to pair Ja Morant with Zion, this is the chance, that's a bit who Scoot reminds me of, more than Westbrook. Kinda a Morant/Rookie Rose hybrid
I just don't see this happening.
100% convinced this is Charlotte using Griffin sniffing around to get better offers
I just don't see this happening.
100% convinced this is Charlotte using Griffin sniffing around to get better offers
Posted on 6/13/23 at 9:57 am to Baron
quote:In fairness, it's not a surprise nor is it people not knowing how to read G League stats. Those are just his actual numbers in G League games. The 27% isn't a made up number that people are some how coming up with.
Some how this 27% number has been circulating in the media but Scoot shot 32% from 3 last year and people just don’t know how to read g-league stats.
Posted on 6/13/23 at 9:58 am to Pels_Yaz
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Lot of players do ISO ball and honestly needed in playoffs but I agree Ingram hasnt really hit that super elite level many hoped for hence why his name is coming up now.
You can't hit that elite level until you are in the playoffs and do it on that stage.
Thank mr. i like to eat fat arse fatass for us not being in the playoffs more so that can be showcased.
BI has played in 6 playoff games, against the #1 seed Suns.
He averaged 27ppg, 6 rpg, 6 apg, shot 41% from 3, all of which is higher than any regular season stat line he's ever had. He elevated his game for the playoffs. Zion was busy fricking gross porn stars instead.
You think Jamal Murray is dragging his team into the playoffs and getting all kinds of recognition if Jokic plays 20 games a year?
Posted on 6/13/23 at 10:01 am to TigerinATL
quote:This seems to be the prevailing wisdom but I don't really agree with it.
They will probably never have a better trade return available for BI.
This presupposes 2 things: That BI can't get any better and that he can't get any healthier.
I think BI can get better than last year, and we know he can play more than 45 games. So if he plays, say 67 games next season and takes his game up a level, he'll certainly have more value then coming off of a 45 game year playing not as good.
I don't buy into the added value because of 2 years left on his deal because no team is trading for him expecting to only get 2 years out of him. Meaning, any team trading for him right now or any time in the next 2 seasons will be doing so likely with the understanding along with BI that he will be signing an extension with that team.
Posted on 6/13/23 at 10:03 am to TeddyPadillac
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You think Jamal Murray is dragging his team into the playoffs and getting all kinds of recognition if Jokic plays 20 games a year?
Does Murray miss 3 months with a fake toe injury in this scenario?
Posted on 6/13/23 at 10:03 am to shel311
I'll also point out that Scoot was the youngest GLeague Player of all time, at 17, and has 2 years of GL experience. So he's had professional coaching for 2 years, and his shooting form look fine to me, nothing crazy mechanical.
He should be able to improve the 3P%, one would think.
He should be able to improve the 3P%, one would think.
Posted on 6/13/23 at 10:03 am to shel311
But….. it’s not. It’s excluding nearly 25% of the g league games he played last season.
Posted on 6/13/23 at 10:04 am to Fun Bunch
I think Scoot has a lot of qualities you saw in a young Chris Paul.
Posted on 6/13/23 at 10:04 am to TeddyPadillac
I think to be fair we expect a lot more out of Ingram than nuggets do of Murray. Jokic is such an outlier. The dude is a second round pick who doesn’t even jump and dominates the nba. We’ll likely never see someone like him again. I do agree if Zion was more focused and healthy maybe Ingram shows out better but again a lot if us were hoping Ingram could be great even without Zion.
Posted on 6/13/23 at 10:08 am to Pels_Yaz
Interesting further comments from Shams this morning in this short clip
LINK
He mentions Zion but not BI as a possible centerpiece. He also reiterates how much the Pels like Scoot and see him as a culture setting franchise guard. Outside of the Pels liking Scoot, it all sounds more speculative than sourced, but mentioning Zion and not BI seems like a pretty big deal coming from Shams.
If it was all speculation surely he'd throw Ingram's name in there too. Maybe Charlotte wants Zion.
LINK
He mentions Zion but not BI as a possible centerpiece. He also reiterates how much the Pels like Scoot and see him as a culture setting franchise guard. Outside of the Pels liking Scoot, it all sounds more speculative than sourced, but mentioning Zion and not BI seems like a pretty big deal coming from Shams.
If it was all speculation surely he'd throw Ingram's name in there too. Maybe Charlotte wants Zion.
This post was edited on 6/13/23 at 10:13 am
Posted on 6/13/23 at 10:08 am to supe12sta12z
He reminds me of Russell Westbrook
Posted on 6/13/23 at 10:08 am to 50_Tiger
quote:Why?
You do this you are losing one Trey or Herb guaranteed.
You can throw Herb out, Herb is perfectly fine in his role in an offense with BI & Zion.
Trey still has a ton of growing to do before he can be a dude you just give the ball to to go get a bucket. He showed flashes late last season but still has a long ways to go to get there, so for the next season or 2 as he grows, he can easily assimilate and continue to grow on this team. He's not just going to all of a sudden at game 1 of next season be a complete player.
quote:We have up to 2 years, so this doesn't matter.
You are losing cap flexibility for 2 years plus.
quote:Because Zion has been injured. Re: that trade you keep pushing for, if we make that trade and Zion plays 25 games next season, guess who isn't making the playoffs again next season...
You are essentially leaning into the team that has not left the first round EVER.
quote:Now do that 4 year thing for the Bucks, then the Nuggets, and so on...should they have given up on their cores so quickly?
Survey of 4 years and recency bias says no.
Posted on 6/13/23 at 10:10 am to shel311
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So if he plays, say 67 games next season and takes his game up a level, he'll certainly have more value then coming off of a 45 game year playing not as good.
Are we sure about this? The new CBA changes this significantly. Let's say he plays 70 games this year and puts up similar stats to the last 3 seasons. Who is going to value BI more at this time next year with a huge contract looming? The new CBA is going to force teams to think long and hard about offering huge contracts to guys who aren't #1 options. It is the only reason that Boston is thinking twice about extending a player that is much more accomplished (both team and individually) than Ingram. The extra year of cost control is very important and why I think Ingram's value is better this year than next year.
Posted on 6/13/23 at 10:12 am to TigerinATL
Well lets look at it from Hornets perspective. Zion is brand Jordan, Jordan wants to sell team- value likely goes up with Zion, Zion likely puts more fans in seats, if its Brandon Miller or Zion- you probably take Zion even with his health issues. Getting Zion and not Scoot also gets you a franchise talent without messing up Lamelo at point.
Posted on 6/13/23 at 10:12 am to dirtytigers
Westbrook isn't a divervse P&R PG. That alone makes them very different. Scoot will make a living off the P&R in the league.
Westbrook is all about speed,power, and athleticism to pressure the rim. there's nuances to Scoot's game that's different.
Westbrook is all about speed,power, and athleticism to pressure the rim. there's nuances to Scoot's game that's different.
Posted on 6/13/23 at 10:12 am to Pels_Yaz
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but again a lot if us were hoping Ingram could be great even without Zion.
Basketball is a team sport, and you need a superstar to be good.
Our superstar doesn't play.
BI is not Tatum. People need to understand that.
BI was great without Zion in the playoffs. It took CP3 playing a perfect game to eliminate us in the playoffs. We looked like we belonged in the playoffs, and we weren't just there to get a gentleman sweep.
Posted on 6/13/23 at 10:12 am to TigerinATL
quote:
He mentions Zion but not BI as a possible centerpiece. He also reiterates how much the Pels like Scoot and see him as a culture setting franchise guard. Outside of the Pels liking Scoot, it all sounds more speculative than sourced, but mentioning Zion and not BI seems like a pretty big deal coming from Shams.
Wow.
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