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re: Shams says Pelicans are “aggressively pursuing” a top 2-3 pick for Scoot
Posted on 6/13/23 at 7:25 am to ThePistol
Posted on 6/13/23 at 7:25 am to ThePistol
This is a legit crossroads for the franchise. They will probably never have a better trade return available for BI. Most GMs would never be as preemptive as to actually make any of these trades, but Scoot gets you a likely similar caliber player with a lot more financial flexibility.
It’s not a guaranteed better move long term, but with the current team you are more or less locked into this core and can’t keep everyone together so at some point you are going to have to downgrade a key piece to save money.
It’s not a guaranteed better move long term, but with the current team you are more or less locked into this core and can’t keep everyone together so at some point you are going to have to downgrade a key piece to save money.
This post was edited on 6/13/23 at 7:31 am
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Posted on 6/13/23 at 7:46 am to TigerinATL
I was looking at some comments with “ Pelicans” trending on Twitter. Here was a trade Portland fans agreed on 
quote:
Why not go Nurk, Simons and 3 for BI and Zion? Dame, Sharpe, BI, Zion
Posted on 6/13/23 at 7:51 am to Soggymoss
What is MM new @
Posted on 6/13/23 at 7:58 am to Soggymoss
quote:
Portland gets BI and Jonas, Suns get Nurk and Simons, Pels get Scoot and Ayton
These trade machine deals never seem to come to fruition but I’d do that deal
Posted on 6/13/23 at 8:05 am to BilJ
Only problem is that we need to get the second pick if we want Scoot.
Posted on 6/13/23 at 8:08 am to dirtytigers
quote:
Only problem is that we need to get the second pick if we want Scoot.
Yeah, that leak to Shams wasn't for nothing. Charlotte is announcing the path to Scoot goes through them. Someone has to give them something to fall back to 3 and take Miller.
Posted on 6/13/23 at 8:29 am to TigerinATL
I'm not so much against EVER trading BI as I am for trading for Scoot.
When's the last time a player like him won a title?
Look at the lead playmakers for championship teams.
Jokic
Draymond/Curry
Giannis
Lebron
You have to go all the way back to the Cavs and Kyrie to find a team with a ball dominant point that won and even then you had Lebron with the ball much of the time.
We need to continue to run our offense through BI and Zion.
That's a championship formula imo.
We don't need a ball dominant athlete who can't shoot.
HOWEVER...
If Scoot's shooting is better than I've been led to believe AND he doesn't seem to always be hurt AND it means we can keep Herb and Trey, then I could probably get behind it.
Scoot
Herb
Trey
Zion
Would probably be insanely athletic.
When's the last time a player like him won a title?
Look at the lead playmakers for championship teams.
Jokic
Draymond/Curry
Giannis
Lebron
You have to go all the way back to the Cavs and Kyrie to find a team with a ball dominant point that won and even then you had Lebron with the ball much of the time.
We need to continue to run our offense through BI and Zion.
That's a championship formula imo.
We don't need a ball dominant athlete who can't shoot.
HOWEVER...
If Scoot's shooting is better than I've been led to believe AND he doesn't seem to always be hurt AND it means we can keep Herb and Trey, then I could probably get behind it.
Scoot
Herb
Trey
Zion
Would probably be insanely athletic.
This post was edited on 6/13/23 at 8:41 am
Posted on 6/13/23 at 8:41 am to ghost2most
quote:
I'm not so much against EVER trading BI as I am for trading for Scoot.
When's the last time a player like him won a title?
Look at the lead playmakers for championship teams.
Jokic
Draymond/Curry
Giannis
Lebron
You have to go all the way back to the Cavs and Kyrie to find a team with a ball dominant point that won and even then you had Lebron with the ball much of the time.
We need to continue to run our offense through BI and Zion.
That's a championship formula imo.
We don't need a ball dominant athlete who can't shoot.
I think the idea is zion would be the #1 and scoot the #2. Kinda like Lebron and kyrie. I agree with you though. I'm not a fan of small guards. While scoot is great in the midrange, he has a long way to go from 3
Posted on 6/13/23 at 8:43 am to ghost2most
quote:
We need to continue to run our offense through BI and Zion.
You do this you are losing one Trey or Herb guaranteed.
You are losing cap flexibility for 2 years plus.
You are essentially leaning into the team that has not left the first round EVER.
quote:
That's a championship formula imo.
Survey of 4 years and recency bias says no.
quote:
We don't need a ball dominant athlete who can't shoot.
Scoot has more than adequate mid range game for the PnR game and Trey/CJ would be our volume 3pt shooters. Our offense would essentially have some lethal athlete (Point Zion/Scoot) attacking your defense in crunch points all game.
Not to mention any Big we could now obtain with new money.
When you put the pros and cons together the cons list is MUCH MUCH longer. Also if you are a believer that TM3 is going to the next level like I am, this makes it even easier for me to do.
Posted on 6/13/23 at 8:57 am to 50_Tiger
Never thought I’d say this but I’d be perfectly fine sending Zion out. He’s immature, unmotivated and unprofessional. I’d like to keep Trey and BI. If Trey goes I may give up on this franchise.
Posted on 6/13/23 at 9:00 am to dirtytigers
It's the old griff presser account.
Posted on 6/13/23 at 9:24 am to lsu31always
I am so torn on this.
Option 1: Trade Bi for Scoot: you're betting on zion's health and maturity long term and you are betting that scoot will be as good or better than BI.
Option 2: Trade Zion for Scoot: You give up a potentially generational talent. Scoot would have lofty expectations to meet if you traded zion for him and you are betting that ingram can stay healthy.
Option 3: No trade: you are betting on Zion and Ingram's health which to this point has failed you.
If i were a gambling man i would take option 1 and roll with what I believe are the 2 best talents out of Zion, BI, and Scoot
My heart wants to run it back because I think when healthy our current team can make some serious noise
Option 1: Trade Bi for Scoot: you're betting on zion's health and maturity long term and you are betting that scoot will be as good or better than BI.
Option 2: Trade Zion for Scoot: You give up a potentially generational talent. Scoot would have lofty expectations to meet if you traded zion for him and you are betting that ingram can stay healthy.
Option 3: No trade: you are betting on Zion and Ingram's health which to this point has failed you.
If i were a gambling man i would take option 1 and roll with what I believe are the 2 best talents out of Zion, BI, and Scoot
My heart wants to run it back because I think when healthy our current team can make some serious noise
This post was edited on 6/13/23 at 9:25 am
Posted on 6/13/23 at 9:28 am to Balsamic_duck
At this point, I just wonder how much, if any, respect the team has for Zion.
But there's also frustration with BI and his inability to play through discomfort.
I think it might come down to trading one of the two because you simply can't have two stars you can't rely on.
The swing for the fences move is to trade Ingram and pray that Zion matures.
the lower ceiling, higher floor move is to trade Zion. I don't think you're winning a title with Scoot, BI, Trey but you're a good team.
Problem is the overlap of position with BI and Trey.
Ultimately, I don't think we do anything.
But there's also frustration with BI and his inability to play through discomfort.
I think it might come down to trading one of the two because you simply can't have two stars you can't rely on.
The swing for the fences move is to trade Ingram and pray that Zion matures.
the lower ceiling, higher floor move is to trade Zion. I don't think you're winning a title with Scoot, BI, Trey but you're a good team.
Problem is the overlap of position with BI and Trey.
Ultimately, I don't think we do anything.
Posted on 6/13/23 at 9:28 am to Balsamic_duck
Well we honestly know option 3 results. Its been 4 years. I would agree option 1 is probably the best. I mean constantly hoping both will be healthy at this point seems crazy. I would take the gamble on the cheaper guy being a phenom than BI and Zions health.
Posted on 6/13/23 at 9:32 am to ghost2most
quote:
At this point, I just wonder how much, if any, respect the team has for Zion.
But there's also frustration with BI and his inability to play through discomfort.
I think it might come down to trading one of the two because you simply can't have two stars you can't rely on.
The swing for the fences move is to trade Ingram and pray that Zion matures.
the lower ceiling, higher floor move is to trade Zion. I don't think you're winning a title with Scoot, BI, Trey but you're a good team.
Problem is the overlap of position with BI and Trey.
Ultimately, I don't think we do anything.
Man i don't see an overlap between BI and Trey. The overlap to me is CJ and Scoot. I don't see how its possible to start CJ and Scoot and have a good defense. I actually think Scoot can be a good defender but no team defense can survive the modern nba playing 2 small guards. CJ would have to come off the bench as the 6th man
Posted on 6/13/23 at 9:33 am to ghost2most
Jake has been floating this idea of BI and his camp causing some concern this past season. He is making it sound like it wasn't just BI not wanting to come back but that his camp was a large factor in that decision. I'd love to know more on this as it could definitely be a factor in all of this as well.
Posted on 6/13/23 at 9:35 am to Pels_Yaz
quote:
Well we honestly know option 3 results. Its been 4 years. I would agree option 1 is probably the best. I mean constantly hoping both will be healthy at this point seems crazy. I would take the gamble on the cheaper guy being a phenom than BI and Zions health.
We really havent seen option 3. Our team is completely different than when Zion last played 60 plus games. We won 42 games last year with zion and BI playing 29 and 45 games. I know its beating a dead horse but with health this team could have won 50 plus games last year.
Posted on 6/13/23 at 9:41 am to Soggymoss
Another short player, if true time to move on from griff
Posted on 6/13/23 at 9:41 am to Balsamic_duck
It worked for Dame and CJ in portland. They were pretty successful. I think you may start them but they probably don’t spend a lot of time on the court together. Take turns running offense.
Posted on 6/13/23 at 9:43 am to Balsamic_duck
Well option 3 is all dependent on health and in 4 years they couldn’t stay healthy. I mean we could try 4 more years but the past will tell you we’ll get both of them missing games again.
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