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re: Shams: If Knicks get #1, they will pursue AD
Posted on 5/14/19 at 3:28 pm to Fun Bunch
Posted on 5/14/19 at 3:28 pm to Fun Bunch
If you have a team ready to win now, you want AD and you'll pay the tax.
If you have a team that is in rebuild, you'll want Zion and the cheap contract.
But y'all shouldn't get it twisted -- adding Zion still helps their efforts to get KD and Kyrie. And that isn't a slow build by any means. It's just that age matches up far better with AD.
You also have to consider that if you're the Knicks or Celtics, not only are you pulling a superstar, but you are taking a star (or two) from the other team. So from the Knicks perspective for example, getting AD means you don't play against AD in Boston. Add an add'l superstar, like Kyrie to this game, and it's in everyone's best interest to offer up their best package.
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Posted on 5/14/19 at 3:29 pm to brmark70816
oh my god, you are doubling down on this theory now with the Knicks??? I just can't even with you any more. You are beyond dumb. Forget the elite board, you don't even deserve to be on Pelicans Report.
Posted on 5/14/19 at 3:29 pm to brmark70816
quote:OK, you believe that. I suppose the Pelicans would want to wait on that as well then, right? Because at that point, they have lost all leverage in a trade with any other team who would have included draft picks as the draft would then be over. Use common sense.
The biggest part of all this is everybody here believes that they are going to trade that pick 2 weeks before FA even starts. So they are trading a generational pick for Davis (with a year left), in the hope that he is enough to seal the deal with Durant and whoever FA he wants to bring with him. Until Durant and Irving sign their deals, I don't believe the Knicks make any moves like this..
This post was edited on 5/14/19 at 3:30 pm
Posted on 5/14/19 at 3:32 pm to Crewz
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The "could go either way, who knows" argument is SO LAZY.
Any draft prospect can go multiple ways, but that doesn't make their probabilities equal. Also, their ceilings are not equal.
Do you think this was the point I was trying to make?
Posted on 5/14/19 at 3:32 pm to bayarea_ryan
quote:
You also have to consider that if you're the Knicks or Celtics, not only are you pulling a superstar, but you are taking a star (or two) from the other team. So from the Knicks perspective for example, getting AD means you don't play against AD in Boston. Add an add'l superstar, like Kyrie to this game, and it's in everyone's best interest to offer up their best package.
Pretty good point right here
Posted on 5/14/19 at 3:33 pm to Fun Bunch
I was not knocking you. I was pointing out how many do make that argument and how much it frustrates me. As if even current NBA players are fully known.
Posted on 5/14/19 at 3:38 pm to Crewz
So, let me get this straight. We make a bet on our beliefs and opinions. You post 5-10x more than I do and make post after post re-stating your theories and beliefs, which is totally cool. I make a handful of posts that are based on my opinion, but I'm a dummy and can't let it go? You seriously have started threads based on yours. I haven't said a word. But you keep calling me dumb and stupid shite like that. Keep your "elite board" and whatever the hell the Pelicans Report is.. No thank you..
Posted on 5/14/19 at 3:39 pm to brmark70816
They were trying to trad Porzingas and multiple picks for him earlier in the year, you think they wouldnt trade the pick now?
Posted on 5/14/19 at 3:40 pm to Chad504boy
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if knicks try to hold onto mitch robinson, you politely tell them to not call back to continue negotiations without MRob and the '19 draft pick being both included and hang that shite up.
but he hasn't shot a 3 yet in the NBA
Posted on 5/14/19 at 3:41 pm to chalmetteowl
You really meant to say he hasn’t missed a 3 yet
Posted on 5/14/19 at 3:42 pm to kadillak
I Reeeaaalllyyy hope they do get zion and trade us. And it could pay of for both parties.... unless not all three of those guys are Fully healthy at the end of the year and the misfits that fill out the rest of the roster by that time cant possibly fill the void that would be left. Im not even saying its the wrong move bc idk what will happen and thats as strong of a core as there is in the league, but Id personally take the Unique youngster on the good contract over a guy who has a home in Los Angeles and has shown the desire to be traded there and could possibly leave your organization regardless of what happens in the season. And then you ultimately traded the Number one pick for a rental. Also its not like you are the raptors who had a good team but couldnt get over the hump so you took a risky shot on a star to try to get you over the hump. Youd be a team who aquired 2 superstars, have all your own picks, and possibly dallas's and young players in place along with the number one pick and have one of the brightest futures now in the NBA. You try trotting that team out seeing what they can do and worst case is the season wasnt as good as hoped, Davis is a FA and if he wanted to be there you figure it out and clear the space then.
Posted on 5/14/19 at 3:50 pm to brmark70816
Having a different opinion is not an issue. Doesn't make you dumb.
You are dumb if you ignore all the evidence presented to you in order to not have to say "I was wrong"
Its not an opinion thing any more. Even if you never believed me, cool. But now credible reporters are coming out and telling you their intentions and you still stay firm. What is the point of information if you refuse to acknowledge it and change your opinion when necessary?
You are dumb if you ignore all the evidence presented to you in order to not have to say "I was wrong"
Its not an opinion thing any more. Even if you never believed me, cool. But now credible reporters are coming out and telling you their intentions and you still stay firm. What is the point of information if you refuse to acknowledge it and change your opinion when necessary?
Posted on 5/14/19 at 3:50 pm to NOFOX
What I don't get is why the Knick and not the Nets?
Same city, better franchise, a better set of players, actual competent organization.
Not that I am complaining since KD to NY incentivizes AD to agree to sign their long-term and ups our leverage.
Same city, better franchise, a better set of players, actual competent organization.
Not that I am complaining since KD to NY incentivizes AD to agree to sign their long-term and ups our leverage.
Posted on 5/14/19 at 3:52 pm to HEAVYtiger23
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I Reeeaaalllyyy hope they do get zion and trade us.
I am really liking the idea of a Zion/Jrue/Garland(assuming Chicago doesn't snatch him, assuming we can't luck into the top two and get Morant) core to start with and a couple of first rounders and another year in the lottery to fill out the core.
Posted on 5/14/19 at 3:55 pm to brmark70816
I see your side man, the obvious argument that people have with this point is they just dont view Zion as highly. Is he a 100% surefire Hall of famer? No, injuries could happen, maybe criminal charges, Maybe he is too unique and ahead of his time. But maybe hes as close to 100% surefire Allstar player as ive seen but its just as risky to mortgage your future for a current allstar in Davis, but could also get injured as zion could if we playing the what if game, or he can leave the next year to go to a city hes stated hed like to be. And then miss out on a Freak player you can lock up for 8 Years!
Posted on 5/14/19 at 3:57 pm to Bronc
Thats A Great core with upside and manageable contracts and i wouldnt be against possibly trading down if someone really wants Garland and we can gain assets and then still pick Up colby White.
Posted on 5/14/19 at 3:59 pm to Fun Bunch
So do we get more upset if our pick isn't top 2 or if the Knicks isn't?
Posted on 5/14/19 at 4:04 pm to HEAVYtiger23
quote:
I see your side man, the obvious argument that people have with this point is they just dont view Zion as highly
That isn't even remotely the argument
Posted on 5/14/19 at 4:12 pm to Chad504boy
we bout to turn the SKC into a white shrimp boot convention if that happens
Mac and cheese with red gravy stands in the balcony
make the courtside seats wooden like our gym
Mac and cheese with red gravy stands in the balcony
make the courtside seats wooden like our gym
Posted on 5/14/19 at 4:13 pm to Bronc
quote:
What I don't get is why the Knick and not the Nets?
Same city, better franchise, a better set of players, actual competent organization.
Not that I am complaining since KD to NY incentivizes AD to agree to sign their long-term and ups our leverage.
If you bring a title to the Knicks, you will be remembered as a basketball god. Not so much for the Nets. KD is the most insecure superstar of all time and will never get the recognition he deserves because of the Warriors move, but a Knicks title would change that narrative. His business partner is also a long time Knicks fan and the Knicks have 2 max slots along with enough assets to trade for a 3rd star. The Nets have to move/let walk that better set of players to open up 2 max spots and have lesser assets to trade.
This post was edited on 5/14/19 at 4:17 pm
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