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Seems criminal Hawkins doesn’t sniff the floor

Posted on 2/12/24 at 9:34 pm
Posted by Ampipe96
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Posted on 2/12/24 at 9:34 pm
With Dyson out probably for the year, you’d think Hawkins would get more run
Posted by Peytonknows
NOLA
Member since Nov 2006
18698 posts
Posted on 2/12/24 at 9:36 pm to
I thought for sure he’d get some minutes tonight at some point and I thought there were times we definitely could have used him.

I don’t get it.
Posted by Ampipe96
Member since Sep 2020
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Posted on 2/12/24 at 9:39 pm to
Me either, we were struggling to score, figured a shooter off the bench couldn’t hurt
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
112626 posts
Posted on 2/12/24 at 9:39 pm to
Look at Hawkins January splits then someone explain how that led to him being taken out of the rotation.
This post was edited on 2/12/24 at 9:43 pm
Posted by Pels_Yaz
Member since Apr 2023
11544 posts
Posted on 2/12/24 at 9:41 pm to
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Look at Hawkins January splits then someone explain how that ked to him being taken out of the rotation.


Easy Willie thinks defense> offense. That thinking will never change and will eventually cost us in playoff seeding and a playoff series.
Posted by Stamps74
Member since Nov 2017
1366 posts
Posted on 2/13/24 at 4:22 am to
10 points total forth quarter for team. Hawkins DNP
Posted by Dantheman504
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Posted on 2/13/24 at 9:50 am to
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Look at Hawkins January splits then someone explain how that led to him being taken out of the rotation.


Remember that convo a few days ago when I said having the availability of Jose/ Naji will disable Hawk/ Dyson? This is what I meant. If those guys are gone then Hawk plays. And that's more important than those guys getting 10-15min.
Posted by pleading the fifth
Member since Feb 2006
3989 posts
Posted on 2/13/24 at 9:55 am to
Willie a defense-first coach to a fault. And Alvarado gives you that defensive spark off the bench. He had a steal and a layup in his first 4 seconds on the floor last night. He also hit his first two 3-point shots. Same for Naji. So if Jose/Naji are giving you defense and some offense I think Willie is going to play them over Hawkins. I prefer to see Hawkins get at least 12 minutes a night but he must not be there defensively.
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
112626 posts
Posted on 2/13/24 at 10:00 am to
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Willie a defense-first coach to a fault.
quote:

I prefer to see Hawkins get at least 12 minutes a night but he must not be there defensively.
I agree with these things as the likely reason Willie isn't giving him minutes.

But i'll continue to harp on Hawkins being in the rotation in January playing 15 games that month at 18mpg, playing well, shooting extremely well, winning his minutes, so...

What happened specifically that made him then come out of the rotation entirely?
This post was edited on 2/13/24 at 10:01 am
Posted by whatiknowsofar
hm?
Member since Nov 2010
25968 posts
Posted on 2/13/24 at 10:06 am to
No fricking clue. There was a game he went 0-2 and missed some rotations and Willie acted like he fricked his wife center court. Hasn't gotten better since
Posted by southsidedell
Tampa, FL
Member since Dec 2016
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Posted on 2/13/24 at 10:12 am to
I could get the whole willie only want defense thing....except for the fact that every starter minus Herb is TRASH at defending. Hot garbage.
Posted by Dinky Mulberry
Member since Aug 2021
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Posted on 2/13/24 at 10:13 am to
I'm guessing...that if a player like Hawk gives a solid effort at practice, to improve his individual defensive game...& learn the rotations etc...Willie would probably give him some run. JMO...and a total guess.
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
112626 posts
Posted on 2/13/24 at 10:20 am to
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No fricking clue. There was a game he went 0-2 and missed some rotations and Willie acted like he fricked his wife center court. Hasn't gotten better since

Willie just seems to have no problem forgiving being a negative on offense but not defense, which makes no sense in today's game.

Dyson had a 7 game span in January where he played 16 minutes per game and he scored 9 points...total


And there are games where Dyson's defense gets us nowhere. Look at the Lakers game, giving up 87 in the 1st half. Dyson played 26 minutes that game.


So if Hawkins has his rookie defensive struggles and a bad shooting game, he's done. But Dyson can be a complete non factor and serious negative offensively and we also are hemorrhaging points in a game, and it doesn't matter, he'll not lose minutes.


And now to top it all off, Dyson is out, and so far, Hawkins STILL isn't back in the rotation. MAKE IT MAKE SENSE!!
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
112626 posts
Posted on 2/13/24 at 10:21 am to
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I could get the whole willie only want defense thing....except for the fact that every starter minus Herb is TRASH at defending. Hot garbage.

We were 6th in defense last season and are 7th now. So I don't think that statement can be true considering.
Posted by mhasen1
Texas
Member since Feb 2008
1864 posts
Posted on 2/13/24 at 10:22 am to
quote:


I could get the whole willie only want defense thing....except for the fact that every starter minus Herb is TRASH at defending. Hot garbage.


This is an incredibly accurate comment.

What's the worst that can happen? He misses a bunch of shots while getting dominated by D'Angelo Russell or Yutu Watanabe?
Posted by supe12sta12z
Tiger Town
Member since Apr 2012
12940 posts
Posted on 2/13/24 at 10:23 am to
Pretty clear by now that it's always going to be either Hawkins or Alvarado. There isn't any wiggle room for both for whatever reason.

With Dyson out, Nance played the most minutes he's played this season. That can not happen if we intend to keep Larry healthy.
Posted by southsidedell
Tampa, FL
Member since Dec 2016
5545 posts
Posted on 2/13/24 at 10:26 am to
Inflated number. The best teams in the NBA are dropping 140 on that 7th ranked defense.
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
112626 posts
Posted on 2/13/24 at 10:26 am to
quote:

This is an incredibly accurate comment.

You guys gotta help me with the logic here.


The starters minus Herb are all "TRASH" on defense.

We have the 7th best defense.

This team is statistically/factually better on defense(very slightly) when Herb is actually off the floor...


How do those things make sense?
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
112626 posts
Posted on 2/13/24 at 10:28 am to
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Inflated number. The best teams in the NBA are dropping 140 on that 7th ranked defense.

What?


That doesn't make any sense lol.

If other teams are dropping 140 on us and we're the 7th ranked defense, that means 23 other teams are getting 140 dropped on them at a rate more than the Pels, 6 teams aren't.
Posted by whatiknowsofar
hm?
Member since Nov 2010
25968 posts
Posted on 2/13/24 at 10:29 am to
quote:

How do those things make sense?


If we were top 2 Willie would try to squeeze five mins for Hawkins in.
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