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re: ScoopB: All of the Brandon Ingram offers are “crap”
Posted on 7/13/24 at 1:59 pm to HickfawJim1
Posted on 7/13/24 at 1:59 pm to HickfawJim1
Loophole in the sign and trade is that the first year is fully guaranteed, the second year is partially guaranteed, and the final year is nonguaranteed.
You still overpay for a player but you have options to ditch them after the first season.
You still overpay for a player but you have options to ditch them after the first season.
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Posted on 7/13/24 at 2:37 pm to HickfawJim1
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It works, but THJ can't be traded before August 27th
Not an issue, that’s well before training camp
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and S&Ts can't be shorter than three years.
Also not an issue, the S&T can only be for one guaranteed year like we did with Zeller, make the final two years non-guaranteed
This post was edited on 7/13/24 at 2:38 pm
Posted on 7/13/24 at 2:46 pm to Soggymoss
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Grab Herro and send Herro to Detroit for THJ and Duren. Make the full trade look something like: Heat: Ingram
So we trading BI for a mediocre big man and a negative contract now?
That’s pretty awful.
Posted on 7/13/24 at 3:03 pm to Townedrunkard
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So we trading BI for a mediocre big man and a negative contract now?
THJ is not a negative contract, Dallas just paid a couple 2nds to move him so they could get out of the 2nd apron to add other pieces. He’s also an expiring and a medium sized salary who can easily be flipped at the deadline if someone comes available you want.
Duren is pretty much same tier as Kessler, don’t see the issue there.
Also get Jovic who spaces the floor well and would be ideal as a backup 4.
I think it’s either make a move like this, or give him the extension he wants which will end up costing us Trey Murphy (which is the last thing we should do), or let him play out the year and probably lose him for nothing next offseason
This post was edited on 7/13/24 at 3:05 pm
Posted on 7/13/24 at 3:17 pm to Soggymoss
quote:Why in the hell would we want THJ.?
Heat fans seem to be clamoring for a BI trade.
Grab Herro and send Herro to Detroit for THJ and Duren. Make the full trade look something like:
Heat: Ingram
Pels: Jovic, Mills (S&T for salary matching), THJ, Duren
Detroit: Herro
Pretty sure thats a legal trade, and something all three teams could claim they won
Posted on 7/13/24 at 3:19 pm to Soggymoss
quote:Is he really? What does he do in an elite manner? He is not an elite rim protector. He appears to have a pretty low BBIQ and is foul prone. I think he has potential but I would not pay too much for that potential. I would easily take Kessler over Duren.
Duren is pretty much same tier as Kessler, don’t see the issue there.
Posted on 7/13/24 at 3:20 pm to Soggymoss
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THJ is not a negative contract, Dallas just paid a couple 2nds to move him so they could get out of the 2nd apron to add other pieces
Literally the definition of a negative contract, paid assets to take you lol. If he was worth the contract, it’d be the opposite. Wasn’t he benched for the playoffs?
And I’d think Kessler would pull a good bit more than Duren in a trade.
Like I said, awful trade.
This post was edited on 7/13/24 at 3:21 pm
Posted on 7/13/24 at 3:24 pm to NOSHAU
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Why in the hell would we want THJ.?
See below
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He’s also an expiring and a medium sized salary who can easily be flipped at the deadline if someone comes available you want
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Literally the definition of a negative contract, paid assets to take you lol. If he was worth the contract, it’d be the opposite
This new CBA is not like the old CBA, if teams need to move salary to a cap space team no matter what they will have to attach at least a couple 2nds, because there will be plenty of other teams willing to do it to avoid that 2nd apron. Hell Clippers chose to lose PG for nothing over being in the 2nd apron, and they were offered a VERY good trade from GS for him. That should tell you everything you need to know.
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Is he really? What does he do in an elite manner? He is not an elite rim protector. He appears to have a pretty low BBIQ and is foul prone. I think he has potential but I would not pay too much for that potential. I would easily take Kessler over Duren.
He’s a very good rebounder and runs the floor well and is far more athletic. If you paid attention to what Griff said last night that’s the type of guys we are looking for over the bigger lumbering guys like Kessler.
This post was edited on 7/13/24 at 3:29 pm
Posted on 7/13/24 at 3:59 pm to Soggymoss
quote:Griff is saying what he has to in order to make it sound like he has done his job. Is Theis this quick athletic guy? At the beginning of the offseason, he said he wanted rim protection. Duren is not that. THJ is useless. You tend to assume that whoever we get, we can easily trade later. Dallas paid to dump him. Not interested in him (although Griffin offered him a ton in free agency for some reason).
He’s a very good rebounder and runs the floor well and is far more athletic. If you paid attention to what Griff said last night that’s the type of guys we are looking for over the bigger lumbering guys like Kessler.
Posted on 7/13/24 at 4:07 pm to NOSHAU
We made THJ look like prime curry
Posted on 7/13/24 at 5:03 pm to NOSHAU
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although Griffin offered him a ton in free agency for some reason).
Because he’s an idiot, he offered more than what Dallas did, and offered Lowery and CP3 max deals the same offseason instead of targeting someone like Caruso who was available.
Some of yall put way more faith in Griff than you should. Or I should say use to. I think most of you see him for what he is now.
This post was edited on 7/13/24 at 5:04 pm
Posted on 7/13/24 at 6:36 pm to Townedrunkard
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If tweet fails to load, click here. Looking ahead, luckily so far it looks like nobody that would want BI will have the cap space except maybe Houston, but even they would need to do a sign and trade.
Works out well for Pels to tell him no extension play out the season
Posted on 7/13/24 at 6:47 pm to Soggymoss
Houston may be extending some of its guys which wouldn’t start until the season after.
Posted on 7/13/24 at 9:27 pm to Townedrunkard
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Because he’s an idiot, he offered more than what Dallas did, and offered Lowery and CP3 max deals the same offseason instead of targeting someone like Caruso who was available.
Some of yall put way more faith in Griff than you should. Or I should say use to. I think most of you see him for what he is now.
Caruso is who I wanted
Posted on 7/15/24 at 5:04 pm to Soggymoss
Seeing this, you just can’t really pay him more than like 4/160 on a new contract. What’s he gonna do, leave to go to the Nets? Okay, bye.
Posted on 7/15/24 at 5:09 pm to Epic Cajun
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Seeing this, you just can’t really pay him more than like 4/160 on a new contract. What’s he gonna do, leave to go to the Nets? Okay, bye.
Yep, said the exact same thing.
If he wants to go play on the tanking nets for a full max then he doesn't care about winning. In which case we're better off without him. Im not paying all that money to a guy that doesn't care about winning
Posted on 7/15/24 at 8:26 pm to Balsamic_duck
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If he wants to go play on the tanking nets for a full max then he doesn't care about winning. In which case we're better off without him. Im not paying all that money to a guy that doesn't care about winning
I don't think we should offer over 4Y/130M (I wouldn't even offer that).
But if we offered 4Y/160M and the Nets offered the max, 4Y/208M. You think he should pick us?
Posted on 7/15/24 at 8:30 pm to brmark70816
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But if we offered 4Y/160M and the Nets offered the max, 4Y/208M. You think he should pick us?
A. I don’t think they’d offer that
B. I wouldn’t blame him if he chose them, but I also wouldn’t up my offer
Posted on 7/15/24 at 8:30 pm to brmark70816
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This post was edited on 7/15/24 at 9:01 pm
Posted on 7/15/24 at 8:35 pm to Epic Cajun
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A. I don’t think they’d offer that
He said if the Nets offered the max. I think that's the max.
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B. I wouldn’t blame him if he chose them, but I also wouldn’t up my offer
Amen. I just couldn't blame the guy. I'm not giving up 40M+.
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