re: ScoopB: All of the Brandon Ingram offers are “crap”

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Along with the worst center situation in the NBA.

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Least important position in the league

In the doubt it ever happens category but in my head I keep coming back to a Pistons-Cavs-Pels swap

Pistons get Garland
Cavs get Ivey and Ingram
Pels get Allen and picks

Pistons get a young, cost controlled guard to better pair with Cade and more shooting that better fits their roster

Cavs get a “star” to pair with Spida and open up minutes at the 5 for Mobley. They can take a flyer on a young guard in Ivey. Plus they save $12m which can help them land Tyus Jones

Obvious what the Pels get out of the deal

DJ / Jose
CJ / Hawk
Trey / Herb / Ryan
Zion / Theis / JRE
Allen / Karlo / Missi

Can use some of the savings to bring in a Gordon Hayward or Gary Trent

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Last 4 mvps were center.

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2 unicorn centers. Why can't we find 3pt shooting creator bigs that can board? It's so easy!

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Celtics/Mavs both have great centers.

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Specialist bigs. They have some that can shoot and some that can rim protect. Hardly "great"

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Does it all of a sudden become the “least important position in the league” because we have the worst talent at center? Come on lets not just think we can win games at a high rate with third string centers.

I know you knock me for pessimism but this is just blind optimism on your end.

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Tell me what's more important. Because I promise you all teams find it easier to get rim protection defense and shot creation/3pt shooting from the wings and guards.

The Warriors won how many titles with draymond at the 5? Let's be real, there's more than one way to win, and playing small and fast can do it.

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But a lot of arguments of keeping BI is based on this. I completely agree with you it’s silly. But catch and shoot 3s, off ball movement- this isn’t BI. Hes a ball dominant scoring wing. I feel if he does stay he has to drastically change his game which is possible but not likely.

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With Murray and Zion we don’t need the BI ball dominant scoring wing making $40-50 million. Also BI being less ball dominant will probably go against his contract desires.

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Tell me what's more important. Because I promise you all teams find it easier to get rim protection defense and shot creation/3pt shooting from the wings and guards. The Warriors won how many titles with draymond at the 5? Let's be real, there's more than one way to win, and playing small and fast can do it.

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Warriors had Looney and Bogut. NBA starting centers. We also don’t have a Draymond. Are you seriously comparing what we have to them? Yes theres many ways to win but having third string centers is not one of them regardless if you play small. Theres no way to argue that having third string centers is not going to be severely detrimental to this team. I think you know this. You’re too smart not to.

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Yes theres many ways to win but having third string centers is not one of them regardless if you play small. Theres no way to argue that having third string centers is not going to be severely detrimental to this team. I think you know this. You’re too smart not to

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Of course theres no way to argue that. Of course our current centers are detrimental. But that wasn't my original point, you're just pivoting to be right. My argument was that it was the least important position on the court. I used the Warriors as an example because they played small and Zion can absolutely be a much better version of draymond at the 5.

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My argument was that it was the least important position on the court. I used the Warriors as an example because they played small and Zion can absolutely be a much better version of draymond at the 5.

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That was your statement based on our depth at center and then you brought in the warriors as an example of this by inferring the pelicans can play similarly. Im not pivoting here. You brought up center doesn’t matter as much in response to who we have on our team. That may be true but thats assuming you have a small ball 5 and nba level centers- which we dont. I love Zion but theres no way hes a multiple DPOY in his prime. Thats just not who he is. Hes a very poor rebounder and isn’t good enough defensively on a consistent basis to be compared to Draymond in his prime. I don’t think you seriously believe this. I don’t understand why you keep spinning this like our center situation isn’t a big deal.

I don’t disagree, I’m just saying the 7 footers in the West going off aren’t the real threat, it’s not being able to close out possessions. It’s not an impossible obstacle, but it’s going to require big jumps from multiple players in rebounds, which is asking a lot.

That matters because I think someone like Duren solves a big problem even though he comes with other flaws. If they start out rough Griff may need to call Trajan and make a deal.

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That matters because I think someone like Duren solves a big problem even though he comes with other flaws. If they start out rough Griff may need to call Trajan and make a deal.

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Heat fans seem to be clamoring for a BI trade.

Grab Herro and send Herro to Detroit for THJ and Duren. Make the full trade look something like:
Heat: Ingram

Pels: Jovic, Mills (S&T for salary matching), THJ, Duren

Detroit: Herro

Pretty sure thats a legal trade, and something all three teams could claim they won

We were especially bad when JV was off the floor especially when we went small. Had little to do with JV and everything to do with poor technique and standing around and ball watching instead of attacking the glass. It's been years of poor rebounding in the clutch since we lost Josh.