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re: ScoopB: All of the Brandon Ingram offers are “crap”
Posted on 7/22/24 at 2:02 pm to BallHawk
Posted on 7/22/24 at 2:02 pm to BallHawk
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If we want to make a deal before the season starts someone like Looney or Stewart makes a ton of sense unless Utah finally relents and trades us Kessler.
If this was the case then we would have already traded BI and added WCJ for essentially free.
Either we want someone specifically for BI or we need to trade him first to get that someone.
Either way we aren't just sitting here while they develop some tough trade to acquire Looney.
This post was edited on 7/22/24 at 2:35 pm
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Posted on 7/22/24 at 2:08 pm to Dantheman504
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Either we want someone specifically for BI or we need to trade him first to get that someone.
Or Griff would rather let BI walk for free than getting back what he perceives to be low value for BI. Griff will never accept sunk cost on BI.
Posted on 7/22/24 at 2:31 pm to Pels_Yaz
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Or Griff would rather let BI walk for free than getting back what he perceives to be low value for BI
So our GM doesn't like the low value and would rather get no value?
Even if you don't like Griffin you have to know that sounds a little ridiculous.
How can his value get lower? He's coming off his "worst year" and was expected to get a max contract.
Sounds like the second he signs less than a max he is already above his current value. If he actually shoots the 3 and plays team ball then his value skyrockets.
You cant say "his value is the lowest its ever been" and then scold our GM for not trading him while we know that. Lol
This post was edited on 7/22/24 at 2:36 pm
Posted on 7/22/24 at 2:36 pm to Dantheman504
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So our GM doesn't like the low value and would rather get no value? Even if you don't like Griffin you have to know that is a little ridiculous.
Please see Lonzo Ball, Jonas Valuncious, Jaxson Hayes. This is what Griffin does. If you don’t know that by now thats pretty ridiculous. In his mind, he thinks it looks better letting the player contract expire than losing on a trade or not getting what he wants.
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You cant say "his value is the lowest its ever been" and then scold our GM for not trading him while we know that. Lol
But we can scold him if he gets no value and lets BI walk. Again he has done this before.
This post was edited on 7/22/24 at 2:37 pm
Posted on 7/22/24 at 2:43 pm to Pels_Yaz
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Please see Lonzo Ball, Jonas Valuncious, Jaxson Hayes. This is what Griffin does
Those might have been the worst examples you can give.
Lonzo- literally can't even play basketball
Hayes- literally can't spell basketball
Val- Willies fault he's gone among other things
I don't blame Griff for being cautious or making "safe" moves to try and upgrade in the past. We have a different team now. Nothing Griff has done destroyed our current team or future war chest. We just acquired the single most necessary piece needed to maximize Zion.
You also act like Griff took over the Lakers with Ballmer as an Owner. What negotiating power do you think Griff has had on our shite team with Gayle as owner in the previous years?
If think we need to let him cook and stop worrying as much.
Posted on 7/22/24 at 2:53 pm to Dantheman504
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Those might have been the worst examples you can give. Lonzo- literally can't even play basketball Hayes- literally can't spell basketball Val- Willies fault he's gone among other things
Lol if you don’t agree thats fine but stop making up shite to demean an argument.
Lonzo- had absolutely no injury issues when he signed with Bulls lol
Hayes- still could have been traded at deadline- lets not act like hes not on a NBA roster.
Jonas- its Griffs fault he didn’t trade him- has nothing to do with Willie.
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You also act like Griff took over the Lakers with Ballmer as an Owner. What negotiating power do you think Griff has had on our shite team with Gayle as owner in the previous years?
Lol so its Gayle’s fault for Griff not trading previous players or BI? This has nothing to do with Gayle. Stop shifting blame.
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If think we need to let him cook and stop worrying as much.
We have the worst center situation in the league and BI hasn’t extended or been traded. Dejounte trade was good but it doesn’t excuse the previous two issues.
This post was edited on 7/22/24 at 2:54 pm
Posted on 7/22/24 at 2:55 pm to Dantheman504
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If think we need to let him cook and stop worrying as much.
What are we all doing on here then? It's all handled. Nothing to see here..
Posted on 7/22/24 at 3:04 pm to brmark70816
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It's all handled.
Far from it
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Nothing to see here..
This is true though. There is nothing to see until, maybe, August 6th.
- That is the drop dead date for signing BI to an extension and still be able to trade him at the deadline.
- That is also when Lauri is eligible to sign an extension with the Jazz. If that happens he's off the table and a team like the Warriors could possibly shift to BI as a target if he doesn't sign an extension.
Posted on 7/22/24 at 3:10 pm to TigerinATL
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If that happens he's off the table and a team like the Warriors could possibly shift to BI as a target if he doesn't sign an extension.
So they would trade away Wiggins to gain Ingram?
Why?
Posted on 7/22/24 at 3:22 pm to brmark70816
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So they would trade away Wiggins to gain Ingram?
Why?
They wouldn't. Kerr won a championship with Wiggins.
Kerr benched a healthy Ingram for Josh Hart and played Austin Reaves over Ingram every game after. It's not his contract, it's the way he plays.
Posted on 7/22/24 at 3:38 pm to brmark70816
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So they would trade away Wiggins to gain Ingram?
Wiggins is a huge regressing issue. They are somewhat in the predicament because of his play & contract. He's always been lazy defensively, but his early time in GSW he put in more effort and turned into an elite defender.
Last year was a complete 180 into the previous version of him. its less forgiving now because offensively he's also regressed. he is a true net negative player on both ends at 3/80mil or so.
Posted on 7/22/24 at 3:50 pm to TigerinATL
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This is true though. There is nothing to see until, maybe, August 6th.
- That is the drop dead date for signing BI to an extension and still be able to trade him at the deadline.
- That is also when Lauri is eligible to sign an extension with the Jazz. If that happens he's off the table and a team like the Warriors could possibly shift to BI as a target if he doesn't sign an extension.
Correct.
In the meantime we cannot add any other center worth a crap besides the rookies that will fit in the MLE.
So Mark William/ Kessler.
Any other C would have to be acquired after/ during we trade BI. So why force a move for a center now just to trade BI at his lowest value?
This post was edited on 7/22/24 at 3:51 pm
Posted on 7/22/24 at 4:02 pm to Dantheman504
quote:Why do some just make shite up. Gayle has given Griff the keys to the team when it comes to player movement. She does not tell him who to trade or when.
You also act like Griff took over the Lakers with Ballmer as an Owner. What negotiating power do you think Griff has had on our shite team with Gayle as owner in the previous years?
Posted on 7/22/24 at 4:08 pm to NOSHAU
Griff always wants to “win the press conference”.
Demps had sunk cost fallacy
Griff focuses too much on “value” and waits too long to make a deal
Demps had sunk cost fallacy
Griff focuses too much on “value” and waits too long to make a deal
Posted on 7/22/24 at 5:12 pm to Pels_Yaz
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Please see Lonzo Ball, Jonas Valuncious, Jaxson Hayes. This is what Griffin does. If you don’t know that by now thats pretty ridiculous. In his mind, he thinks it looks better letting the player contract expire than losing on a trade or not getting what he wants.
I said a few weeks ago in another thread, this is the Ball situation all over again. Prepare thy anus for a sign and trade next summer with us getting a couple second rounders back. Maybe enough to cover what we had to pay for another team to take Graham lol.
Posted on 7/22/24 at 5:17 pm to Dantheman504
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I don't blame Griff for being cautious or making "safe" moves to try and upgrade in the past. We have a different team now. Nothing Griff has done destroyed our current team or future war chest.
What war chest? That’s all gone outside of an extra swap. We have our slotted picks the next few years but nothing extra. That’s no war chest lol.
The war chest was used on Murray and to get from under his numerous mistakes.
This post was edited on 7/22/24 at 5:20 pm
Posted on 7/22/24 at 5:44 pm to Townedrunkard
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What war chest? That’s all gone outside of an extra swap. We have our slotted picks the next few years but nothing extra. That’s no war chest lol.
BI
Hawk
(4) 1st
(3) swaps
If BI gets traded for 2 1st and no assets that's
(6) 1st
(3) swaps
Not even touching Murray/ Herb/ Trey/ Zion.
This current team could be the best Pels team we've ever had.
Y'all are being quite pessimistic for the future
Posted on 7/22/24 at 6:00 pm to Dantheman504
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BI Hawk (4) 1st (3) swaps
Why not include Zion and Trey? Why is Hawk apart of our war chest. He was picked with our own pick.
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If BI gets traded for 2 1st and no assets that's (6) 1st (3) swaps
And you are wrong. You must have been asleep when Griff burned through our war chest. The first next year from the Bucks goes to the Blazers unless it hits the lottery (doubtful). A swap the following year. Then the lesser of the two picks next year to the Hawks.
Like I said, we have one swap that’s extra with no second rounders. That’s no war chest lol. That’s probably less than what the majority of teams currently have in the league.
This post was edited on 7/22/24 at 6:04 pm
Posted on 7/22/24 at 6:28 pm to Townedrunkard
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I said a few weeks ago in another thread, this is the Ball situation all over again. Prepare thy anus for a sign and trade next summer with us getting a couple second rounders back. Maybe enough to cover what we had to pay for another team to take Graham lol.
Brandon Ingram is still a good player.
He could still work on this team imo. You want as many good players as possible.
Let's just say the pels start out hot with Ingram in the lineup. The pels won't trade him.
People jumped the broom on the Ingram talk. He is still a very good basketball player.
Posted on 7/22/24 at 7:14 pm to Dantheman504
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BI Hawk (4) 1st (3) swaps
How do you include BI in your warchest when you literally can’t find anyone willing to trade for him. We’ve done this with you several times. You have a completely different definition in regards to what warchest means compared to most people on this board.
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