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Sharp85
Member since Jan 2019
209 posts

Randle
His game is showing growth. I forget he is just 24. I was 100 percent against any part of signing him long term but I think at the right price Im all for it. His motor night in and night out can be good for the team. If we sign him as a starter he needs a rim protector to play onside of him. His defense is not very good.


ThanosIsADemocrat
Member since May 2018
1788 posts

re: Randle
Modern 4s will eat him alive long term.

But if his offense improves the pluses wil outweigh the minuses.



jmcwhrter
Member since Nov 2012
1077 posts

re: Randle
Everytime I think hes turning a corner he comes out and plays like supersize Tyreke


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Macintosh504
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re: Randle
He’s more of a 6 man tho. I really don’t see him as a starter unless he starts playing better defense


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LosLobos111
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re: Randle
Who's eating who alive lately?


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Philippines4LSU
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re: Randle
I love his offensive game.


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ShamelessPel
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re: Randle
I’m worried his recent play is pricing him out of “reasonable price”, but the flip side to that is his recent play is why you’d want to bring him back. Let’s hope the league isn’t watching our team like usual and we can bring him back at a reasonable rate or he enjoys playing here so much he says frick it and inks a deal without exploring/testing the market, especially after there was so little market for him last offseason. Maybe he’d be happy with 4/50-60. Maybe our team can offer him that deal if he doesn’t go out and test the waters, citing that if he does we’ll know his market value and it could go down. It’s no longer Demps country, so the world is our oyster. We can dream.


ThanosIsADemocrat
Member since May 2018
1788 posts

re: Randle
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We hearty souls who have been foraging atop Julius Randle Hill for years always knew he could score, trample entire defenses on the fast break, and dish canny assists when he wasn't getting a little hoggy. It has been nice seeing him flourish as a 20-point scorer with the New Orleans Pelicans. But there is some trepidation in the Hill community -- more populous now -- given that Randle's ascension on offense has come at the expense of his work on the other end. Some of that is New Orleans shoehorning Randle into defending stretchy power forwards. He just does not have the fast-twitch speed or attention to detail for


Julius defense

Bumping for the downvotes, haters.

Randle is turnstile.

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Randle hasn't fared much better protecting the rim. He is 451st among 494 players in the defense-only version of ESPN's real plus-minus -- a stat that often makes big men appear better than they are (hi, DeAndre Jordan.) He is dead last among centers.
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TigerinATL
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re: Randle
Here’s the key to me

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When Randle digs in, he can be a deterrent at the rim and (kinda) switch across all five positions. He is probably best suited as a switchable small-ball center, but building a roster in which he can play that role as a starter will be tough.


He’s not good enough to let him make roster construction harder. 6th man on a reasonable deal or I’m not interested.


NOFOX
New Orleans Pelicans Fan
New Orleans
Member since Jan 2014
6971 posts

re: Randle
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He’s not good enough to let him make roster construction harder. 6th man on a reasonable deal or I’m not interested


It makes no sense to keep an anti-3&D frontcourt player as a core piece. His bully ball and transition offense are great off the bench, but he doesn’t add spacing and he doesn’t defend enough to be a starter.


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TeddyPadillac
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Member since Dec 2010
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re: Randle
Yeah to me he's just Lou Williams but a big. Yes i'd love to keep him, but i'm not paying him much more than $10M/yr.


The_Duke
Member since Nov 2016
1567 posts

re: Randle
So why did we basically just give Niko away again?


BetOnIt
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re: Randle
My stance continues to be: Just because you keep a guy, it doesn't mean you have to have him on the roster for the entirety of his next contract. The question shouldn't be what role Randle will be playing in 3 years when we are contenders. Instead, we should be asking whether he will have positive trade value on his next deal and measure that against what else we could do with that cap room and what the trade value of that player would be.

I just find it hard to believe that the Pels are going to find some 20/9 guy dying to play here in free agency that they can sign. Sign Randle because he wants to be here. Keep trying to help him improve his D, and keep the phone lines open to other GMs and eventually move him when you find the right deal.


DeionDeion
New Orleans Pelicans Fan
New Orleans, LA
Member since Apr 2010
5006 posts

re: Randle
I still don't mind him on a large ($17), short-term deal or a 3 year deal at around $12 mil but that further solidifies that I dont want him as a centerpiece of the roster
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ThanosIsADemocrat
Member since May 2018
1788 posts

re: Randle
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Here’s the key to me


Yeah I agree, I didn’t want to post the whole bit on him.

But when I saw Zach Lowe say the same thing I said in this thread, had to share it lol.

Haters gonna hate I guess.(Hi Shame!)

Randle is Boogie Lite, but good 4s are going to light his arse up.

Porzingis if healthy will torch the current guys next year. Just another good front court player in the SW this team will have to face 4 times a year.

This post was edited on 3/8 at 12:48 pm


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TeddyPadillac
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Member since Dec 2010
12881 posts

re: Randle
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So why did we basically just give Niko away again?



We got back 4 2nd round picks, 2 of which are from washington which won't be bad 2nd round picks.

And we traded him b/c we weren't winning anythign. I"m sure the Pelicans didn't want to trade him, and probably told him they would be very interested in resigning him this offseason, but it's in the Pels best interest to trade him right now, and we sent him to a title contender.


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NOFOX
New Orleans Pelicans Fan
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Member since Jan 2014
6971 posts

re: Randle
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I just find it hard to believe that the Pels are going to find some 20/9 guy dying to play here in free agency that they can sign. Sign Randle because he wants to be here. Keep trying to help him improve his D, and keep the phone lines open to other GMs and eventually move him when you find the right deal.



Lost opportunity cost. Is he a better trade asset later versus taking on money for a pick? Do you really think he is going to have a jump on D at this point in his career?

It all depends on the contract for Randle. Pat Riley just said that Miami is trying to clear 2 max spots for 2020. Others are going to be looking to clear space too.


cgrand
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re: Randle
short term deals for what may appear to be big money help facilitate trades (porter for parker to cite a recent example)

next year the pels will likely have the following to trade:

hill, 13MM expiring
moore, 9MM expiring

add in a 2 year deal for randle (who can actually play) at 17- 20MM and now you've got ammo


NOFOX
New Orleans Pelicans Fan
New Orleans
Member since Jan 2014
6971 posts

re: Randle
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short term deals for what may appear to be big money help facilitate trades (porter for parker to cite a recent example)


Cap space works even better because you can get underperforming teams under the tax. When you can send Moore's $9M and take back $25M, that can be pretty valuable.

I am not against re-signing Randle depending on the price and length, but I do believe his high usage and lack of spacing is not conducive to developing the new young guys. On top of that, I think you are going to havce some teams go for it next season and want to shed salary where you can pick up a late first for taking on a contract.


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Cheesy Beaver
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re: Randle
put me firmly in the "do not want" camp


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