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Posted on 11/6/25 at 8:38 am to 3PieceSpicy
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A small market team generally needs more bites at the apple, not less, to become a championship level contender over time.
I don't think there is a perfect model for a rebuild. Even OKC has kicked the can on drafting players generally speaking. The only high lottery contributor they have is Holmgren, who is at best their 3rd best player. They have built their depth in the mid level of the draft and through shrewd trades. We can get those type of picks shedding vets generally speaking.
The problem is do we have the same level of scouting or a developmental system, that can identify the best players for us? I don't think we do. Makes it hard to copy thier path..
Posted on 11/6/25 at 8:40 am to brmark70816
If you don't trust your scouting, you want more picks not less
Posted on 11/6/25 at 8:48 am to brmark70816
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Both Fears and Queen are raw, and we have used them a bit too much. But they have had great moments and have high ceilings. Like foundation of the franchise type of games. I think we stole them both..
While true they are raw and have upside. If you are the Pelican's you do not trade an UNPROTECTED first on a draft pick thats not a generational talent. This franchise is the laughingstock of the league, and no one cares in the front office
Posted on 11/6/25 at 8:52 am to GOP_Tiger
GOP: you all jumped the gun trashing the trade!
two decent games from him….
Also GOP: see it’s a brilliant trade!!!
You don’t see the issue the hypocrisy there ?
I too remember when rooks like Hawkins, NAW, Hayes, etc had good stretches of play and people quickly thought they were un trade able assets.
two decent games from him….
Also GOP: see it’s a brilliant trade!!!
You don’t see the issue the hypocrisy there ?
I too remember when rooks like Hawkins, NAW, Hayes, etc had good stretches of play and people quickly thought they were un trade able assets.
Posted on 11/6/25 at 8:52 am to tigerbait1.6
Queen can become a really good player.
Still doesn't negate the fact that it is terrible business for a rebuilding team to trade away an unprotected pick.
Still doesn't negate the fact that it is terrible business for a rebuilding team to trade away an unprotected pick.
Posted on 11/6/25 at 9:00 am to GOP_Tiger
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No, trading for Queen made us the LAUGHINGSTOCK OF THE LEAGUE
No idiot. Trading for Queen was a good move. Giving up WAY MORE than we needed to to move from 23 to 13 was the problem. I’ve been really impressed by Queen so far. It’s not his fault Joe Dumars let Atlanta’s front office rape him in that trade. Saying Queen is trash is beyond idiotic.
Posted on 11/6/25 at 9:05 am to GOP_Tiger
What game did you watch?
Posted on 11/6/25 at 9:14 am to GOP_Tiger
It doesn’t matter on what queen may become, future potential doesnt justify present overpayment.
Posted on 11/6/25 at 9:25 am to J_Hingle
But the entire argument against the trade is regarding the potential of a future pick. Which is still unknown.
Posted on 11/6/25 at 9:31 am to J_Hingle
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doesnt justify present overpayment.
It doesn't look like an overpay right now. And, remember, Dumars said he started trying to trade up to get Queen at #9, and 9-12 weren't interested. So, he made the same offer to Atlanta.
As I said at the time, it's worth it if DQ really is a top-five player in the draft. As of today, it looks like he is indeed a top-five player in this year's class.
It looks like a good trade right now. But people here love to parrot the talking heads on TV and in podcasts.
Posted on 11/6/25 at 9:32 am to J_Hingle
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It doesn’t matter on what queen may become, future potential doesnt justify present overpayment
This is actually false.
Honestly we should trade Z to CHA for a baseline of Kon + 26' + ???.
If they'd do it then frick it. Restart with Fears/ Kon/ Queen. Figure out if Trey/ Herb fit the team and timeline or are better as assets. Figure out what to do with Murray/ Poole whether 1 of them fit or if we want to use their $65 mil combined for assets.
I'm cool competing too but it just feels like it makes more sense if we can pair smother top rookie with Fears/ Queen and add future pick(s)
Posted on 11/6/25 at 9:33 am to 3PieceSpicy
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I think it's very possible that we can both win this trade and lose this trade at the same time. Even if Queen hits. The NBA is about maximizing assets . . . a small market team generally needs more bites at the apple, not less, to become a championship level contender over time.
Agreed. Fears and Queen have shown more than I expected for sure. Maybe they will even turn into great players. Like Chris Paul and David West great. Or Jrue and Anthony Davis great.
But how do the pelicans fill out a roster around two great players? By getting as many picks as possible in a short window of time.
Our great Trey/Herb/Jose draft is already started to age out of being valuable and aging into being overpaid vets.
Posted on 11/6/25 at 9:36 am to Dantheman504
Zion/ Hawk
Kon/ G willians/ J Green/ P Connaughton/ 26'
Or
Kon/ Bridges/ 26'
Or
Bridges/ Kalk/ Kon (and move 1 of Trey/ Herb)
Call it day.
Kon/ G willians/ J Green/ P Connaughton/ 26'
Or
Kon/ Bridges/ 26'
Or
Bridges/ Kalk/ Kon (and move 1 of Trey/ Herb)
Call it day.
Posted on 11/6/25 at 9:49 am to GOP_Tiger
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Or maybe you are just coping with trashing a trade that looks like it was brilliant.
I know you're doing a bit but I think it's safe to say that 8 games in the trade doesn't look brilliant. You decided to mock the board on being wrong about Queen on a night where he went 3-8 from the field. Calm down.
Posted on 11/6/25 at 9:54 am to iwyLSUiwy
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Queen on a night where he went 3-8 from the field. Calm down.
Queen had 11 points, 7 boards, 2 assists, and 3 steals in 25 minutes, and you come in here to badmouth him? Really?
Posted on 11/6/25 at 9:56 am to GOP_Tiger
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Queen had 11 points, 7 boards, 2 assists, and 3 steals in 25 minutes, and you come in here to badmouth him? Really?
Huh? Are you drunk? I'm not badmouthing him. I'm saying calling the trade brilliant after a few good games is as dumb as the people you're making fun of.
Posted on 11/6/25 at 10:01 am to iwyLSUiwy
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know you're doing a bit but I think it's safe to say that 8 games in the trade doesn't look brilliant. You decided to mock the board on being wrong about Queen on a night where he went 3-8 from the field. Calm down.
I think a per 32 avg of:
14.5pts/ 9.5reb/ 2ast/ 2stl/ 1blk
Is pretty fricking solid 8 games into the season without ramp up due to him being out preseason. He's also playing most his minutes with the 2nd string guards and not Fears/ Poole/ Murray.
Posted on 11/6/25 at 10:02 am to tigerbait1.6
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While true they are raw and have upside. If you are the Pelican's you do not trade an UNPROTECTED first on a draft pick thats not a generational talent.
Were Giannis, Joker, SGA generational talents when they were drafted?
Or have we won anything with the two frist picks which were actually considered as generational talents?
At the end of the day we will know in few years if that trade was the 2nd worst ever (it will never eclipse Nico's trade) or it was a genius move or it's actually neutral.
Right now we can only hope that DQ (and Fears) keeps developing and of course that Willie won't be here next season.
Posted on 11/6/25 at 10:07 am to BGpels
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At the end of the day we will know in few years if that trade was the 2nd worst ever (it will never eclipse Nico's trade) or it was a genius move or it's actually neutral.
That's what I said about Dyson.
Realistically Queen has a chance to finish 5-10 in a redraft by the end of the year. If your pick is also at worst 5-10 then there's nothing to be upset about.
You can't get upset at the Pacers pick because Hali going out was just fricked and the reality is that the only reason they are this bad is because they have their pick back. If they didn't have their pick they may have kept Turner, added other players, etc and still have been more competitive.
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