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re: Players’ union expects no fans at NBA games during 2020-21 season
Posted on 6/13/20 at 11:40 am to shel311
Posted on 6/13/20 at 11:40 am to shel311
These authoritarians completely forgot the whole purpose of sheltering: reduce hospitalizations and ventilator use. Don’t overload the system.
Nowhere in this entire nation are in any remote danger of overloading the system.
People are getting Covid again? So? Does it matter if they aren’t being hospitalized?
Nowhere in this entire nation are in any remote danger of overloading the system.
People are getting Covid again? So? Does it matter if they aren’t being hospitalized?
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Posted on 6/13/20 at 11:42 am to Bronc
quote:Your graph literally proved yourself wrong. The curve was flattened for upwards of 2 months while you're telling me Florida never flattened the curve. Only the 4th time I'll ask but, what are you talking about?
Data?
Florida
quote:You're not sure what direct answers to your points about Texas and the CDC have to do with what you posted? You're making no sense right now.
Not sure what the rest has to do with what I posted?
It sounds more like you just didn't want to quote respond to my points because you have no actual answer for them.
quote:What does screaming about never flattening the curve then posting a graph of a curve clearly being flattened scream?
Looking only at one side(the one that supports your desire to ignore the virus) and not the other screams motivated reasoning.
Posted on 6/13/20 at 11:43 am to Fun Bunch
quote:Right, and when I pointed that out in response to his points about Texas, he wants to say he has no idea what that has to do with anything he's saying.
reduce hospitalizations and ventilator use. Don’t overload the system.
Posted on 6/13/20 at 11:44 am to shel311
quote:
Things aren't out of control in Texas, again, what are you talking about?
A spike in cases anyone any bit rational knew was coming but hasn't even remotely put a dent in ICU bed capacity in Texas? Is that what you're talking about?
Again:
quote:
What is happening at United Memorial is playing out in hospitals across Texas. On Friday, the number of confirmed COVID-19 patients hospitalized climbed to 2,166, up more than 150 from just the day before. In fact, Texas has set a new record for overall COVID-19 hospitalizations in four of the last five days, according to the Department of State Health Services.
LINK
They are getting there.
My girlfriend is in fact an ICU nurse, in Houston, where I live right now, they are in fact at their highest capacity since the pandemic started. With no real signs this is going to let up. Same goes with her cousin in another hospital in Houston.
This also isn’t just about capacity, it is about stamping out the virus, stamping out it’s spread from harming Covid free parts of the hospital system so you can return to more normalcy. You know, helping people not die and not get infected.
Posted on 6/13/20 at 11:49 am to Bronc
quote:Except it's not, factually speaking.
What is happening at United Memorial is playing out in hospitals across Texas.
Texas has about 6,663 ICU beds. We estimate that 42% (2,798) are currently occupied by non-COVID patients. Of the remaining 3,865 ICU beds, we estimate 662 are occupied by COVID cases, or 17% of available beds.
You fell for it a couple of months ago when they said the same thing was happening everywhere and it turned out to be false, just in a few small pockets. Why would you fall for it again? Remember the millions spent on the naval ships in NYC?
quote:Depends on the context of the discussion.
This also isn’t just about capacity, it is about stamping out the virus,
quote:I hope you fall on the side of absolutely crushing the selfishness of the protestors then if you want to be consistent.
You know, helping people not die and not get infected.
Posted on 6/13/20 at 11:56 am to shel311
You seem to not grasp how hot spots work do you?
El Paso can have a thousand open beds but if Houston is getting close to capacity that means frick all.
You are pulling data from Covid ACTNOW that is simply estimating state wide capacity.
A site I should point out also notes that if all lockdowns were lifted, which we are trending faster toward, that capacity would be overrun by mid July. Failing to sufficiently stamp out the virus more conclusively simply opens the door for this to extend out longer and longer.
El Paso can have a thousand open beds but if Houston is getting close to capacity that means frick all.
You are pulling data from Covid ACTNOW that is simply estimating state wide capacity.
A site I should point out also notes that if all lockdowns were lifted, which we are trending faster toward, that capacity would be overrun by mid July. Failing to sufficiently stamp out the virus more conclusively simply opens the door for this to extend out longer and longer.
This post was edited on 6/13/20 at 11:58 am
Posted on 6/13/20 at 12:02 pm to Bronc
quote:I addressed this for an entire paragraph in the post you quoted. What are you talking about?
You seem to not grasp how hot spots work do you?
quote:So, like I said...
El Paso can have a thousand open beds but if Houston is getting close to capacity that means frick all.
quote:I never advocated all Lockdowns nationwide should be lifted.
A site I should point out also notes that if all lockdowns were lifted, which we are trending faster toward, that capacity would be overrun by mid July
I noticed you ignored my point about the protests, you are vehemently against them, correct?
Posted on 6/13/20 at 12:06 pm to Bronc
quote:
it is about stamping out the virus, stamping out it’s spread
look here man I want to be on the side of critical science but let’s get one thing straight...this virus is neither going to be stamped out nor is it “going away”. It is a fact of life from here on out until (if needed or even possible) there is a universal vaccine.
currently there are zero vaccines for any Coronavirus nor any rinovirus. The reason for that is maybe, just maybe, there won’t ever be one. Not everything in the natural world is available to be controlled or eliminated by naked apes.
if you are suggesting that the current state of affairs be extended indefinitely until there is a vaccine or it “disappears” you will be waiting a long time, perhaps forever.
common sense precautions are needed and necessary. Otherwise we need to move on
Posted on 6/13/20 at 12:08 pm to shel311
quote:
I never advocated all Lockdowns nationwide should be lifted.
I noticed you ignored my point about the protests, you are vehemently against them, correct?
Take this racist nonsense to the Trump circle jerk board, I’ve made my thoughts clear. Re-open under strict guidelines(like the CDC), when people fail to adhere to proper guidelines that is condemnable, protesting or not. But if you are trying to morally equivocate going to an NBA game and protesting police brutality so you can try and demand people condemn black people for your amusement you can get fricked.
As to the rest, you really seem to just be spinning your wheels. You aren’t really demonstrating any sort of understanding of really anything, just attempting to play gotcha nonsense by taking to the internet to get half assed snippets to support your posture toward justifying reckless behavior in the face of a pandemic that has not sufficiently been snuffed out.
You want to quote the CDC when it’s preliminary data supports your argument of downplaying the severity of the virus but pretend it’s guidelines for reopening don’t exist. Which states like Florida and Texas(and most states) failed to meet. And because of that failure we see the new spikes surging.
This post was edited on 6/13/20 at 12:11 pm
Posted on 6/13/20 at 12:20 pm to TigerinATL
Honestly I’ve already transitioned away from attending live sporting events. My home set up is really good and the food/drinks are included.
In all seriousness, this was starting to be a major problem before the virus.
In all seriousness, this was starting to be a major problem before the virus.
Posted on 6/13/20 at 12:28 pm to Bronc
quote:
But if you are trying to morally equivocate going to an NBA game and protesting police brutality so you can try and demand people condemn black people for your amusement you can get fricked
This shite rationale is where you can take your L.
Either we care about protecting and passing this on to old people, or we don't. Don't try to pull the race nonsense to cover for how wrong you are, you know that's what you're doing, everyone can see right through your BS.
This idea that you can be all Gung ho about how serious COVID is and the need to shelter in place but also fully support 1000s in the streets protesting is the height of ignorance.
quote:These are random, meaningless words one says when they've been proven wrong and have nothing left to respond to facts.
As to the rest, you really seem to just be spinning your wheels. You aren’t really demonstrating any sort of understanding of really anything, just attempting to play gotcha nonsense by taking to the internet to get half assed snippets to support your posture toward justifying reckless behavior in the face of a pandemic that has not sufficiently been snuffed out.
It's easy to see right through the meaningless stuff you're saying there.
quote:remember when you didn't know where the data even came from and tried to act like it came from some random place you can't trust? You're moving the goalposts real quick once you realized where it came from and you had no idea.
You want to quote the CDC when it’s preliminary data supports your argument of downplaying the severity of the virus but pretend it’s guidelines for reopening don’t exist.
This post was edited on 6/13/20 at 12:29 pm
Posted on 6/13/20 at 12:31 pm to Bronc
quote:
But if you are trying to morally equivocate going to an NBA game and protesting police brutality so you can try and demand people condemn black people for your amusement you can get fricked.
You do not get to choose which gathering is righteous and which is not.
You can either go to none, or all.
Posted on 6/13/20 at 12:34 pm to Fun Bunch
quote:He's adamant that Florida never flattened the curve and his proof was a graph that clearly showed the curve was flattened.
You do not get to choose which gathering is righteous and which is not.
You can either go to none, or all.
I think it's obvious he's going to say whatever he wants, all logic be damned at this point.
Posted on 6/13/20 at 1:03 pm to Fun Bunch
quote:
You do not get to choose which gathering is righteous and which is not.
You can either go to none, or all.
We’ve already decided from the onset to make moral value judgements so, no, this isn’t correct.
We did so the moment we declared essential businesses and decided some, but not other businesses and events could resume.
People at protests not adhering to social guidelines are condemnable, but I’m not about to make the absurdist claim that the protesting police brutality is of the same moral equivalent of attending a fricking sports game. You want to be my guest.
Posted on 6/13/20 at 1:15 pm to Bronc
I make no moral judgment one way or the other. The coronavirus does not know the difference between a gathering that is allegedly righteous and one that does not. It either spreads in a crowd or it does not.
This is what fascists do. They make absurd claims and then define what gathering is acceptable and what isn’t to fit their agenda.
You do not get to say what is the right gathering and what is not. You do not get to choose your political beliefs over others and say “these people can gather en masse because I agree and these people cannot”. It is patently absurd to argue otherwise.
I do agree with you on the essential v non essential. It was totally absurd. None should have been closed at all.
This is what fascists do. They make absurd claims and then define what gathering is acceptable and what isn’t to fit their agenda.
You do not get to say what is the right gathering and what is not. You do not get to choose your political beliefs over others and say “these people can gather en masse because I agree and these people cannot”. It is patently absurd to argue otherwise.
I do agree with you on the essential v non essential. It was totally absurd. None should have been closed at all.
Posted on 6/13/20 at 1:52 pm to Fun Bunch
You’re a lawyer, right?
Posted on 6/13/20 at 2:26 pm to Bronc
You sound absolutely insane just fyi
Posted on 6/13/20 at 2:37 pm to shel311
quote:
This shite rationale is where you can take your L.
Either we care about protecting and passing this on to old people, or we don't. Don't try to pull the race nonsense to cover for how wrong you are, you know that's what you're doing, everyone can see right through your BS.
This idea that you can be all Gung ho about how serious COVID is and the need to shelter in place but also fully support 1000s in the streets protesting is the height of ignorance.
Based on your post count I get the keen sense you are one of those posters that treat TD like a full time job and are so shut in you can only see other people as the caricatures you have imagined in your head from cocooning yourself in this bubble. Which is why you seem incapable of addressing what I actually say instead of the simple narrative you wish to apply.
You could have picked any number of things that people have done since lockdown, gathering at parks, crowding bars, crowding pool party’s, packing beaches, but you reached for what black people decided to do as your example of moral failing. Think it’s pretty clear why. Even when I made my stance really clear in condemning breakers of recommendations regardless of circumstance you persist on making this about black people.
As to our conversation, let’s recap shall we?
You made a claim about death rates and I asked for a source prefacing I would imagine it leaves out undercounted deaths since that takes time, which, alas, it did. To which you seemed wholly unable to reconcile that there is an entire other side of the equation that lags catching up on infection rates which is undercounted Covid deaths due to missed or misclassification, which makes your statistic incomplete at best.
So what did you do? You made it about flattening the curve and took some bizarre victory lap because a place like Florida never met CDC guidelines and so after a slight dip they are now experiencing a record spike And new peak. Trying to make not properly flattening the curve some sort of pinpoint to your argument(claiming the spike was always part of the plan, no, it wasn’t, a flattening and a small increase that never truly rises above peak levels). Then tried to apply state hospitalization rates that are climbing to answer for city hot spots that are seeing major spikes. With no real reconciliation either. Or for the fact 14 states are seeing record hospitalizations and many cities going into emergency mode, indicating they aren’t able to properly stay in reasonable capacity or move toward normal operations.
You can keep typing random stuff you can’t contextualize to justify your desire for black people to shut up and dribble in packed arenas as cases continue to climb, but making a convincing argument you have not.
Posted on 6/13/20 at 2:39 pm to Fun Bunch
quote:
The coronavirus does not know the difference between a gathering that is allegedly righteous and one that does not. It either spreads in a crowd or it does not.
right on
if there can be mass gatherings in the streets and mass gatherings inside an arena in Tulsa, then what exactly are we doing here?
if you are old or unhealthy stay home.
the rest of us have shite to do
Posted on 6/13/20 at 2:45 pm to cgrand
and one more thing
I get that the players need to be isolated, they are out there basically swapping spit and they can’t play with a mask on. The spectators can sit there and watch wearing a mask if they choose though, and it’s nearly impossible to transmit from stands to the court
hell every game before this there is 100% certainty that there were fans in attendance carrying a communicable disease
I get that the players need to be isolated, they are out there basically swapping spit and they can’t play with a mask on. The spectators can sit there and watch wearing a mask if they choose though, and it’s nearly impossible to transmit from stands to the court
hell every game before this there is 100% certainty that there were fans in attendance carrying a communicable disease
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