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TigerinATL
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Players’ union expects no fans at NBA games during 2020-21 season
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In six weeks, players will be taking the court for games in Orlando with no fans in the stands, something players are quick to admit will be a strange experience.

They might want to get used to it. The National Basketball Players’ Association expects no fans at NBA games during the 2020-21 season, reports Shams Charania of The Athletic. That came out of the Friday night’s 80-player Zoom call discussing if players should head to Orlando for the NBA’s restart.

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Is the NFL expecting a fanless season this fall?


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Total lunatics


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Dayman
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Typical outrage culture. This virus will be behind us by fall.


Bronc
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re: Players’ union expects no fans at NBA games during 2020-21 season
Some of you all are truly fricking stupid

Bet if I checked your post history you thought it would be gone by the summer as well?


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Bet if I checked your post history you thought it would be gone by the summer as well?
i mean it’s not summer yet


Fun Bunch
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re: Players’ union expects no fans at NBA games during 2020-21 season
Judging from the protests, it is gone. No one gives a shite about this anymore except for purely political purposes.

The estimated mortality rate has dropped to now .246% and is probably going to be even lower.

No one cares.


Bronc
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You name the price I’ll agree to the bet that the virus will still be around and kicking when Summer officially kicks off.

I’d even go through Summer.

And this callous disregard for taking even the smallest of steps to suppress the virus is why I will win that bet.


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Bet if I checked your post history you thought it would be gone by the summer as well?


Well Bronc it probably depends on what definition of "gone" you chose to apply. In the beginning we were told we need to "flatten the curve." That has been done for some time.

Now--even though we are seeing further evidence the death rate is about 0.2% instead of 3% like we were told--certain people are taking the approach we need to completely eradicate the virus (instead of flattening the curve). That, quite simply, is lunacy.


Bronc
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No one gives a shite about this anymore except for purely political purposes.



And that is why the virus isn’t going away.

Your stats are from your arse and the virus doesn’t care if you ignore it, and as things flair back up people’s natural survival instinct kicks in and states/cities will respond. Its the same song and dance that happened with the Spanish Flu.


Bronc
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Well Bronc it probably depends on what definition of "gone" you chose to apply. In the beginning we were told we need to "flatten the curve." That has been done for some time.



Take out New York and NJ and the country has not done that. Many places, like Florida, never flattened their curve and are now seeing record hospitalizations and positive testing percentages. Same goes with Texas.

Also not sure where people are getting this revisionist death percentage from? I’m guessing some one-sided sourcing looking at testing numbers and estimates of infection, ignoring completely the problem of excess deaths and undercounting?

US:
2018 Flu/Pnuemonia deaths: 59120
2018 Feb 1 - May 31 Flu/Pneumonia deaths: 22,908
2020 Feb 1 - June 6 Flu/Pneumonia deaths: 112,235 ( 90% increased from the entire year of 2018, 390% increased from the same period in 2018
Excess deaths from 2018 Feb-May: 89,327
Official COVID-19 deaths: 94,371

Texas up to June 6:
2018 Flu/Pnuemonia deaths: 3516
2018 Feb 1 - May 31 Flu/Pneumonia deaths: 1229
2020 Feb 1 - June 6 Flu/Pneumonia deaths: 5886 (67% increased from the entire year of 2018, 379% increased from the same period in 2018)
COVID-19 Pneumonia: 673
Official COVID-19 deaths: 1545


Florida up to June 6:
2018 Flu/Pnuemonia deaths: 3091
2018 Feb 1- May 31 Flu/Pneumonia deaths: 1181
2020 Feb 1 - June 6 Flu/Pneumonia deaths: 6301 (104% increased from the entire year of 2018, 433% increased from the same period in 2018)
COVID-19 Pneumonia: 1180
Official COVID-19 deaths: 2262


Same trend we see with heart failure. Deaths greatly in excess of past years in which correlate to trends with Covid. More people may have been infected than once thought, more people are also dead from COVID than official numbers suggest.
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Fun Bunch
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re: Players’ union expects no fans at NBA games during 2020-21 season
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Your stats are from your ass


They are from the Centers for Disease Control, the CDC.

Based on dozens of studies from large sample sizes of asymptomatic and symptomatic people.

It is significantly less deadly than originally feared.


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Also not sure where people are getting this revisionist death percentage from? I’m guessing some one-sided sourcing looking at testing numbers and estimates of infection, ignoring completely the problem of excess deaths and undercounting?



The CDC lol


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Bronc
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They are from the Centers for Disease Control, the CDC.

Based on dozens of studies from large sample sizes of asymptomatic and symptomatic people.

It is significantly less deadly than originally feared.



Show me the paragraph and data where they have successfully dug through the excess death numbers I just listed, contextualized and factored those into their analysis? Nursing Homes? At home deaths?

You won’t, because that work will be ongoing for years but it is not hard to see what the data suggests.

EDIT: Also, FYI, .2% fatality rate(which is not accounting for excess deaths properly), assuming half the population becomes infected at some point due to no longer giving a shit, equals 350,000 Americans dead. Meaning almost tripling our current death total.
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shel311
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And that is why the virus isn’t going away.

What more do you want?

Citizens did what they were asked to not overload hospitals, and it succeeded.

What are you even asking for?


Fun Bunch
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re: Players’ union expects no fans at NBA games during 2020-21 season
K.

Everyone has a choice. We are adults in an allegedly free land. If we want, we can take the risk of getting infected by a largely weak virus, we can.

If others can go to gather by the thousands at the protest of whatever political cause they deem reasonable, the rest of us should be able to gather for whatever we deem fit. It’s not up to the government to pick and choose.

You can stay at home. No one is going to stop you.

Regardless, 2 different vaccines will be entering phase 3 in July. Meaning they can then be approved for compassionate use at that time and should be available for the general public by October at the absolute latest, assuming the trials are successful.

The world will be fine. I imagine this will definitely all go away on November 5.


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shel311
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re: Players’ union expects no fans at NBA games during 2020-21 season
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Many places, like Florida, never flattened their curve
What do you base this on?

Florida absolutely flattened the curve. The 7 day rolling average on new cases peaked at 1143 on April 7th. It was 726 on June 1st. If that's not flattening the curve, what would you consider it?

Since 6/1, cases have gone up, based on the reopening. That was always going to happen upon reopening, it's not some gotcha for reopening.

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Same goes with Texas.
Texas as of yesterday 6/12:

Texas has about 6,663 ICU beds. We estimate that 42% (2,798) are currently occupied by non-COVID patients. Of the remaining 3,865 ICU beds, we estimate 662 are occupied by COVID cases, or 17% of available beds.


So, what exactly is your point about Texas?
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Also not sure where people are getting this revisionist death percentage from? I’m guessing some one-sided sourcing
If that's what you want to call the CDC, have at it.

The CDC estimated a CFR of 0.4% and also stated about 35% of folks are asymptomatic and never test positive. A little simple math tells you the CDC shows a CFR of about .27%.
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Bronc
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re: Players’ union expects no fans at NBA games during 2020-21 season
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What more do you want?

Citizens did what they were asked to not overload hospitals, and it succeeded.


Tell that to places like Arizona:
LINK /.


Taking reasonable steps as we reopen, backed by the science we have: masks, social distancing, shelter-in-places when things get back out of control in certain areas(as Oregon and Utah just did but Texas and Florida refuse).

I love the NBA, but we can survive one season without fans in seats out of a rightful abundance of caution if some miracle vaccine is not around and in sufficient capacity by next season.



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shel311
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re: Players’ union expects no fans at NBA games during 2020-21 season
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EDIT: Also, FYI, .2% fatality rate(which is not accounting for excess deaths properly), assuming half the population becomes infected at some point due to no longer giving a shit, equals 350,000 Americans dead. Meaning almost tripling our current death total.

so what's your plan? We all shelter in place for 2 years until a vaccine is ready?


Americans were told to stay home to flatten the curve so we don't overload ICU bed capacity. We did that successfully, what exactly are you asking people to do now that we're moving those goalposts?


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shel311
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re: Players’ union expects no fans at NBA games during 2020-21 season
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when things get back out of control in certain areas(as Oregon and Utah just did but Texas and Florida refuse).
Things aren't out of control in Texas, again, what are you talking about?

A spike in cases anyone any bit rational knew was coming but hasn't even remotely put a dent in ICU bed capacity in Texas? Is that what you're talking about?

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Bronc
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re: Players’ union expects no fans at NBA games during 2020-21 season
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What do you base this on?

Florida absolutely flattened the curve. The 7 day rolling average on new cases peaked at 1143 on April 7th. It was 726 on June 1st. If that's not flattening the curve, what would you consider it?


Data?
Florida


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Since the start of June, 14 states and Puerto Rico have recorded their highest-ever seven-day average of new coronavirus cases since the pandemic began, according to data tracked by The Washington Post: Alaska, Arizona, Arkansas, California, Florida, Kentucky, New Mexico, North Carolina, Mississippi, Oregon, South Carolina, Tennessee, Texas and Utah.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2020/06/08/14-states-puerto-rico-hit-their-highest-seven-day-average-new-covid-19-infections-since-june/

Not sure what the rest has to do with what I posted? Excess death is a real thing, always is with pandemics and they skew the numbers in the opposite direction. Looking only at one side(the one that supports your desire to ignore the virus) and not the other screams motivated reasoning.
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