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re: Per Jake Fisher our offer to Ingram was 4/140
Posted on 2/13/25 at 10:37 am to TeddyPadillac
Posted on 2/13/25 at 10:37 am to TeddyPadillac
We just took a massive talent downgrade that did very little to address our cap situation beyond this year's tax hit. Gayle must be worried about another big bill coming soon....
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Posted on 2/13/25 at 10:55 am to Galactic Inquisitor
How massive is the downgrade if he can’t stay on the court or mesh with the rest of our team?
Posted on 2/13/25 at 10:56 am to teke184
It’s addition by subtraction in regard to the future of this team.
Posted on 2/13/25 at 10:57 am to Macintosh
I’d agree.
Zion and BI couldn’t both be on the team because they don’t mesh and the emergence of Trey helps make BI redundant.
Zion and BI couldn’t both be on the team because they don’t mesh and the emergence of Trey helps make BI redundant.
Posted on 2/13/25 at 11:23 am to Macintosh
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It’s addition by subtraction in regard to the future of this team.
This phrase has got to be the stupidest thing someone can say on here about this. You're delusional if you believe this. Snap out of it.
"Hey we lost a 6'8" 23/6/5 27 year old for basically nothing, and we got better b/c of it." That's what you just said.
I guess Dallas got this whole addition by subtraction thing too b/c the future of their team and the tax is in a better situation.
Posted on 2/13/25 at 11:25 am to teke184
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How massive is the downgrade if he can’t stay on the court or mesh with the rest of our team?
Has played more than OG and Jamal Murray the last 5 years, while averaging more points, rebounds and assists than both of them, and they both got max contracts this summer.
Posted on 2/13/25 at 11:25 am to teke184
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Zion and BI couldn’t both be on the team because they don’t mesh and the emergence of Trey helps make BI redundant
Yes many fans understand this situation. The issue is that BI is still the best asset we could have over the next 3 years between free agents, trades, and extentions.
While some people don't like the idea of BI on this future team, its also difficult for them to understand that Zion/ Trey/ Herb/ Missi are now the only tradeable assets to make upgrades.
So its not just about "Zion/ BI don't work together" its about assets and options and now we have barely any to make additional moves.
Any fans that were happy with BI getting traded away have absolutely 0 right to bitch when we are forced to trade future 1sts to be relevant.
Also I think its hilarious that people keep saying I'm not looking at the future when that's legit the only thing I'm looking at and every other argument has to do with short term. Y'all are NOT saying or thinking what you think you are...
This post was edited on 2/13/25 at 11:32 am
Posted on 2/13/25 at 11:32 am to Dantheman504
The problem with trading BI away like this was that Griff should have done it MUCH earlier.
I wouldn’t say I’m HAPPY with the return but I would rather a return than him either walking for nothing or us getting stuck with him next season and desperately trying to dump CJ and others to stay out of the tax.
And at this point, I’m kind of resigned to Zion getting moved simply because he makes too much goddamn money to not be on the court.
We will either continue to hope he improves or move on and see what we can get for him.
I wouldn’t say I’m HAPPY with the return but I would rather a return than him either walking for nothing or us getting stuck with him next season and desperately trying to dump CJ and others to stay out of the tax.
And at this point, I’m kind of resigned to Zion getting moved simply because he makes too much goddamn money to not be on the court.
We will either continue to hope he improves or move on and see what we can get for him.
Posted on 2/13/25 at 11:35 am to TeddyPadillac
Murray won a title with Denver and Denver is still looking to compete.
OG won a title with Toronto and is on the Knicks, who are thinking this may be their year. And him coming in was part of them competing along with Brunson playing like a madman.
And BI was on the Pelicans, who couldn’t get out of the first round and are currently dead last in the West.
OG won a title with Toronto and is on the Knicks, who are thinking this may be their year. And him coming in was part of them competing along with Brunson playing like a madman.
And BI was on the Pelicans, who couldn’t get out of the first round and are currently dead last in the West.
Posted on 2/13/25 at 11:45 am to teke184
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I would rather a return than him either walking for nothing or us getting stuck with him next season and desperately trying to dump CJ
BI on a fresh new deal is not "getting stuck with him" that's dramatic as frick. Secondly BI/ Zion/ Trey/ Murray/ Herb on this team next year makes trading CJ the exact OPPOSITE of "desperate". At that point we could trade him for nothing and lose nothing. Again i don't think y'all are saying what you think you are.
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And at this point, I’m kind of resigned to Zion
Well yeah trading away your 2nd best asset while getting almost nothing and keeping your 4th/5th best asset (CJ) just ensures me that Zion will be traded because we definitely aren't doing shite lol.
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The problem with trading BI away like this was that Griff should have done it MUCH earlier
I do 100% agree with this. Its also why I laugh at all the fans that fight me when I talk about trading CJ, Jose, Herb..... Has nothing to do with how I feel about them, its a fricking business.
This post was edited on 2/13/25 at 11:48 am
Posted on 2/13/25 at 11:45 am to teke184
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Murray won a title with Denver and Denver is still looking to compete.
I"m not saying BI is better than Murray, but Murray has missed a ton of time the last 5 years. His team has been in the playoffs every year the last 5 years, yet he's only played in 2 of those years.
and they wont' be able to compete much anymore b/c they have zero depth on thier team b/c of Murray's massive contract which will continue to make them a tax team and they don't have picks to trade except for their '31 1st. They don't even have a 2nd for the next 6 years.
They have to unload MPJ and get depth in the process if they want to continue to compete.
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OG won a title with Toronto
6 years ago, in his 2nd season where he didn't start and averaged 7 points per game. Stop bringing this stupid point up. It means nothing.
He's the most expensive role player in the league and it's not even close, and he's not even an elite role player.
This post was edited on 2/13/25 at 11:51 am
Posted on 2/13/25 at 11:47 am to Dantheman504
Unless there were deals I’m unaware of, CJ wasn’t tradable at the deadline without attaching sweeteners to him.
That potentially changes this offseason as his contract is about to expire.
At this point, we are a total fricking mess and need to see what we get in the 2025 draft lottery before we figure out a plan going forward.
That potentially changes this offseason as his contract is about to expire.
At this point, we are a total fricking mess and need to see what we get in the 2025 draft lottery before we figure out a plan going forward.
Posted on 2/13/25 at 11:50 am to teke184
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At this point, we are a total fricking mess and need to see what we get in the 2025 draft lottery before we figure out a plan going forward
Yes. In other words:
1. Keeping BI would have put us in a better future position
2. Trading CJ this year would have put us in a better future position
3. Not extending CJ would have put us in a better future position
Who would have thought that...
This post was edited on 2/13/25 at 11:52 am
Posted on 2/13/25 at 11:53 am to Dantheman504
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Who would have thought that...
Who would have thought at the beginning of this season that every major player on this team would be injured pretty much simultaneously?
Posted on 2/13/25 at 11:54 am to Dantheman504
For real whats the worst that would happen next year? BI and Zion still don't work and miss most the season? We end up with another top 5 pick? Move on from both of them anyway?
Its literally way better of a scenario then whatever bullshite fantasy land our fans want to live in while we are stuck in purgatory.
Its literally way better of a scenario then whatever bullshite fantasy land our fans want to live in while we are stuck in purgatory.
Posted on 2/13/25 at 11:55 am to teke184
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Who would have thought at the beginning of this season that every major player on this team would be injured pretty much simultaneously?
What does that have to do with extending BI, not extending CJ 2 years ago, or trading CJ this year?
Posted on 2/13/25 at 11:59 am to Dantheman504
If the team is healthy and everyone plays, the season isn’t a total clusterfrick and we aren’t looking to jettison parts as a result.
If we are competing and both CJ and BI are major parts of that, then any deals we made are looked at through a different lens by both what we get back and how other teams would value them.
If we are competing and both CJ and BI are major parts of that, then any deals we made are looked at through a different lens by both what we get back and how other teams would value them.
Posted on 2/13/25 at 12:02 pm to teke184
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If the team is healthy and everyone plays, the season isn’t a total clusterfrick and we aren’t looking to jettison parts as a result.
If we are competing and both CJ and BI are major parts of that, then any deals we made are looked at through a different lens by both what we get back and how other teams would value them.
The irony here is that I'm almost certain if this happened that BI would be staying and CJ would be traded which is fricking hilarious considering how arse backwards y'all are viewing everything.
For the 3rd time, y'all are not saying what you think you are.
This post was edited on 2/13/25 at 12:04 pm
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