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Posted on 12/12/24 at 9:31 pm to AboveTheRim
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A trade or firing is needed now. Guys are too comfortable. A shake up has to happen.
You have a team struggling with injuries & trying to find an identity yet you allow them to freestyle it offensively with a chance to win the game. Willie is frickin retarded.
Posted on 12/12/24 at 9:33 pm to AquaVitae
I have been one of the few ppl that has been outspoken on Trey through the last couple years .
He is a good shooter . He is not that good of a basketball player . When the d gets tighter his scoring goes away . He doesn’t create for others, rebound , defend , or do much else to positively impact the game.
I think he sees himself as a BI type that can score and carry a team but reality is he’s a role player and needs work harder on the court to be a good 3 and D guy.
He is a good shooter . He is not that good of a basketball player . When the d gets tighter his scoring goes away . He doesn’t create for others, rebound , defend , or do much else to positively impact the game.
I think he sees himself as a BI type that can score and carry a team but reality is he’s a role player and needs work harder on the court to be a good 3 and D guy.
Posted on 12/12/24 at 9:37 pm to jprdbulldog20
Cj is going to help a playoff team . I know he can’t carry the load all the time at this point in his career but dude can still play .
Honestly one of the best players in the history of New Orleans hornets /pelicans .
Griff needs to move him before he gets hurt .
Honestly one of the best players in the history of New Orleans hornets /pelicans .
Griff needs to move him before he gets hurt .
This post was edited on 12/12/24 at 9:38 pm
Posted on 12/12/24 at 9:41 pm to BigBrod81
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Willie is frickin retarded.
I just never understand reading these threads after every game and nobody can explain it to me. Why are NBA coaches so underpaid? According to this board Green has made us lose almost every game. If we win, it's cause some player bailed us out.
So if he has that much influence or power, why is he making only a couple million a year?
A 30M+ PG has 8 TOs, including one that ends the game. But let's blame the 2M coach. I'm sure an 8-year vet had no idea what to do in crunch time. He needs it diagramed for him.. that makes sense..
Posted on 12/12/24 at 9:42 pm to AboveTheRim
I never really understood the CJ hate. He is the anti-Zion. People want players to play through injury and CJ has done that multiple times. Then on top of all that he’s active in the community.
Posted on 12/12/24 at 9:46 pm to brmark70816
I’ve been a Willie defender up until
This season and anyone can see and admit he’s gotten a raw deal never having a healthy team .
Having said that in tonight’s game both can be true . Murray was bad and Green made a terrible error not calling a timeout with plenty of time on the clock when it was obvious the last possession was going no where .
It’s also easier to change the $2m coach in a season like this than it is the PG you just traded for .
This season and anyone can see and admit he’s gotten a raw deal never having a healthy team .
Having said that in tonight’s game both can be true . Murray was bad and Green made a terrible error not calling a timeout with plenty of time on the clock when it was obvious the last possession was going no where .
It’s also easier to change the $2m coach in a season like this than it is the PG you just traded for .
Posted on 12/12/24 at 9:50 pm to AboveTheRim
Murray is just not that great of a player.
Posted on 12/12/24 at 10:01 pm to Broski
High turnover numbers kill whatever speed\momentum the team has.
Posted on 12/12/24 at 10:20 pm to brmark70816
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According to this board Green has made us lose almost every game. If we win, it's cause some player bailed us out.
My post specifically concerned the final possession where Willie refused to call a timeout to set up a play for his struggling team. It had nothing to do with anything else.
How many times in Willie's tenure have we've seen him do this? He has a terrible habit on possessions at the end of games with a chance to tie or win of allowing the offense to freestyle the possession over setting a play up during a time out. The freestying either leads to a difficult shot out of iso or a turnover like tonight. IT NEVER frickIN WORKS yet Willie refuses to try anything different.
Posted on 12/12/24 at 11:39 pm to BigBrod81
I’m sorry but Dejounte fricking sucks. Idc who is out. If I’m trading Dyson, Larry and 2 1sts I better be getting more than this.
Posted on 12/12/24 at 11:42 pm to AboveTheRim
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I have been one of the few ppl that has been outspoken on Trey through the last couple years .
He is a good shooter . He is not that good of a basketball player . When the d gets tighter his scoring goes away . He doesn’t create for others, rebound , defend , or do much else to positively impact the game.
We should know by the end of this season...whether Trey is just a one-trick pony (obviously...a shooter)...or can develope into a solid all-around player. I suspect he is that "pony"...but it's worth giving him a shot all this season...to be sure. When/if... the Pelicans decide he's just a pony...they would be wise to start looking around to try & move him. A small market team like the Pelicans can't afford to pay big money for someone unless they bring more than one thing to the table. JMO...
This post was edited on 12/12/24 at 11:48 pm
Posted on 12/12/24 at 11:53 pm to brmark70816
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So if he has that much influence or power, why is he making only a couple million a year?
People pay to see players not coaches. Coaches job is to get most out of players. Pretty simple and applies to all sports.
Posted on 12/13/24 at 4:50 am to Pistol44
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People pay to see players not coaches. Coaches job is to get most out of players. Pretty simple and applies to all sports.
Nice. We pay the players over 170M and the coaches under 6M total. So since the players are making over 25X more, shouldn't the vast majority of the blame go to them?
No matter what a player like Boston does. I don't ever get too down on them, cause he's not making any serious money. There is no expectation for him to be good. Wouldn't that same logic apply to coaches? If Green were getting 10-20M a year, I'd start caring more about what he does. Until then, he shouldn't move the needle that much..
Posted on 12/13/24 at 6:52 am to AboveTheRim
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I have been one of the few ppl that has been outspoken on Trey through the last couple years .
He is a good shooter . He is not that good of a basketball player . When the d gets tighter his scoring goes away . He doesn’t create for others, rebound , defend , or do much else to positively impact the game.
I think he sees himself as a BI type that can score and carry a team but reality is he’s a role player and needs work harder on the court to be a good 3 and D guy.
He's so frustratingly inconsistent because he's shown flashes on cutting and even driving the ball, like last night in the first quarter. He even puts it together for a short stretch of games but then disappears for weeks. He still has good potential with a better coaching staff.
Posted on 12/13/24 at 6:53 am to brmark70816
According to your logic coaches should never get fired. I guess the Cavs should have kept JB bickerstaff instead of firing him. Cavs have the best record in the nba, something they never came close to with bickerstaff. Offense this year is light years better than last year but they have literally the exact same roster as last year. Must be a coincidence right? No way that’s coaching.
Saints are another great team example. Saints without a doubt haven’t been better since Dennis Allen got fired right? But since Darren Rizzi gets paid less than Dennis Allen, I can’t give Rizzi any credit according to you. Since your logic is coaches shouldn’t get blamed unless they’re well paid, then that means coaches shouldn’t get credit either for teams playing well.
Congrats on being literally the only person in America who thinks coaches shouldn’t be judged unless they’re paid well. According to you we can’t give Willie any credit or blame because he’s not one of the highest paid coaches.
Saints are another great team example. Saints without a doubt haven’t been better since Dennis Allen got fired right? But since Darren Rizzi gets paid less than Dennis Allen, I can’t give Rizzi any credit according to you. Since your logic is coaches shouldn’t get blamed unless they’re well paid, then that means coaches shouldn’t get credit either for teams playing well.
Congrats on being literally the only person in America who thinks coaches shouldn’t be judged unless they’re paid well. According to you we can’t give Willie any credit or blame because he’s not one of the highest paid coaches.
Posted on 12/13/24 at 7:35 am to Balsamic_duck
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I’m sorry but Dejounte fricking sucks. Idc who is out. If I’m trading Dyson, Larry and 2 1sts I better be getting more than this.
Man has the tide started to turn. Weren’t you one of the posters that said DD sucks lol.
Posted on 12/13/24 at 7:36 am to Parrish
It’s a mindset issue with Trey. He doesn’t have that killer instinct like Jordan or Kobe. Him complaining about being defended too hard during practice on that podcast with Dyson is all I need to know about him. Basically he’s soft. Anytime pressure is applied he disappears. It’s why he’s 6’10” and doesn’t rebound worth a shite…he doesn’t want to get physical on the boards. He wants to let someone else do that work.
And, TBH, it’s the mindset of this entire team other than Herb and Jose. We had other guys that could bring that attitude (Larry, Naji, Dyson) but we let them all go. Now with Jose out as soon as Herb sits we are the softest team in the league. No one steps up and brings that winning attitude. At this point, we need to accept that we are a finesse team full of weak minded players whose “stars” fold under the slightest pressure (why we were 0-22 in crunch time last year) and publicly cry about having to practice hard and get tough coaches fired.
And that is the main reason I want WG fired. That mindset comes from the top. We need a coach who demands respect and won’t allow his team to be bullied every game while doing not a damn thing about it. It’s bad basketball and it frustrating to pay to watch.
And, TBH, it’s the mindset of this entire team other than Herb and Jose. We had other guys that could bring that attitude (Larry, Naji, Dyson) but we let them all go. Now with Jose out as soon as Herb sits we are the softest team in the league. No one steps up and brings that winning attitude. At this point, we need to accept that we are a finesse team full of weak minded players whose “stars” fold under the slightest pressure (why we were 0-22 in crunch time last year) and publicly cry about having to practice hard and get tough coaches fired.
And that is the main reason I want WG fired. That mindset comes from the top. We need a coach who demands respect and won’t allow his team to be bullied every game while doing not a damn thing about it. It’s bad basketball and it frustrating to pay to watch.
Posted on 12/13/24 at 8:41 am to saintslsupels
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According to your logic coaches should never get fired.
That is just silly. They need to be evaluated and judged, subjectively. If he's a total failure and has no organizational control, then fire them.
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guess the Cavs should have kept JB bickerstaff instead of firing him. Cavs have the best record in the nba, something they never came close to with bickerstaff.
The Cavs backsled from 51 wins to 48, then the players demanded a new coach. It wasn't some great coup. They needed a change.
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Must be a coincidence right? No way that’s coaching.
How many games do you think that Green has cost us? 5 or 6? That's through only a 3rd of the season. No coach could or should swing 15-20 games a season. That's insane. If that was the case, coaches should be more highly paid than players.
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Saints are another great team example
I don't watch the Saints and don't care about them.
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According to you we can’t give Willie any credit or blame because he’s not one of the highest paid coaches.
I've never seen Green get any props or credit. All succeas has been in spite of him. Honestly I don't think he makes it through the season. Even if he does, we'll have a new coach next season. I really don't get the point of firing him now. What will that accomplish?
Posted on 12/13/24 at 9:10 am to brmark70816
quote:cmon man a coach costing you 5-6 games a year is more than enough to get you fired. Eric Spolestra publicly apologized for a bad time out that cost his team one game. If Willie is costing us 5-6 games a year then yes he should be fired and yes he’s a reason why we’re under performing. Doesn’t matter that he only makes 2 million a year. I don’t get how anyone can think that just because a coach isn’t highly paid doesn’t mean he doesn’t have any blame when his team under performs.
How many games do you think that Green has cost us? 5 or 6?
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