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re: Pels schedule Zach Edey for workout

Posted on 5/30/24 at 1:00 pm to
Posted by Pels_Yaz
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Posted on 5/30/24 at 1:00 pm to
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He was the best player in college. You hope he can be a starter eventually. At worse you just hope he’s productive player.


I think what worries me is that our coaching staff will not use him at all and hes going to be in the gleague and rot on the bench. Ive seen how Willie deals with rookies and especially centers who have trouble moving in space on defense.

I hope for Edeys sake we dont draft him- that kid deserves better than Willie Green bullshite.
Posted by iwyLSUiwy
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Posted on 5/30/24 at 1:04 pm to
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Sure if you think he's a starting caliber center. If not, then you're just come off desperate.


Drafting a need is now considered desperate
Posted by supe12sta12z
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Posted on 5/30/24 at 1:12 pm to
Our situation is nowhere near comparable to Denver. They had Mozgov at the time and he was playing well. They drafted Nurkic in the first with plans of him starting and Jokic was a considered a project @19/20 years old that ended up being so good they traded Nurkic a couple.of years later. So no, nothing like our scenario.

Edey will always be question mark and we don't know if he can play with pace in the league nor do we know if we can play off ball next to Zion. I think it's safe to say Edey isn't going to get 11 free throws a game in the league like he's getting in college. He plays a methodical style of ball that requires your offense to run your offense around him. Since we don't even do that with a superior offensive player like JV in the post, you think they'll do it with Edey?

They're going to have to give him every opportunity to start and play big minutes for me to buy into Edey.
This post was edited on 5/30/24 at 1:17 pm
Posted by supe12sta12z
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Posted on 5/30/24 at 1:15 pm to
Drafting for need is fine. Drafting a guy who may have fit issues who if you see is at best a back up on a team with no starting caliber player at the positon is the problem.
Posted by Macintosh
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Posted on 5/30/24 at 1:16 pm to
Why are people freaking out? We’re working out literally everyone
Posted by Pels_Yaz
Member since Apr 2023
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Posted on 5/30/24 at 1:19 pm to
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Why are people freaking out? We’re working out literally everyone


Lets be real this pick will probably be traded. Its just due diligence.
Posted by Giantkiller
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Posted on 5/30/24 at 1:32 pm to
Will he still be there at 21?
Posted by NOSHAU
Member since Feb 2012
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Posted on 5/30/24 at 1:32 pm to
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What have we done with our 8 and 14th pick recentl?
SO, based on your rationale, we should never pick again? Should not have picked Trey or Herb either?
Posted by NOSHAU
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Posted on 5/30/24 at 1:34 pm to
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I'm not opposed to Edey. I'm opposed to the idea of drafting a center with the vision of him being a back up at best while we have no starting caliber guy up front. If they draft him with the vision of being a starter, I'm good with it. Otherwise go with the upside pick or trade the pick for an actual center that can play big minutes.
We are talking about pick #21 not 4 or 5.
Posted by NOSHAU
Member since Feb 2012
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Posted on 5/30/24 at 1:36 pm to
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Will he still be there at 21?
Doubtful. Not sure we even keep the pick. However, at 21, I would be perfectly fine if he were there. Filipkowski or Ware would be fine as well.
Posted by Soggymoss
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Posted on 5/30/24 at 1:42 pm to
Posted by Tigerfan14
Member since Jun 2014
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Posted on 5/30/24 at 1:53 pm to
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Doubtful. Not sure we even keep the pick. However, at 21, I would be perfectly fine if he were there. Filipkowski or Ware would be fine as well.


I like both, especially Ware, but I don’t think either will be there when we pick. Interested to see if they schedule those guys for workouts.
Posted by Balsamic_duck
Member since Jun 2017
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Posted on 5/30/24 at 2:06 pm to
Give me Missi, Ware or Tyler Smith and I'll be happy.

I'm really falling in love with Tyler Smith. 6'10.25 with a 7'1 wingspan with a 38" vert he and can really shoot it.
Posted by TeddyPadillac
Member since Dec 2010
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Posted on 5/30/24 at 2:14 pm to
For being such a huge human being, Zach Edey stayed healthy throughout college, and from what i saw when i watched him, he was always in better shape than the opposing center. That big arse dude routinely beat his man up and down the court, and hardly ever do i recall watching him play and said "he looks tired"

There's a lot to be said for that fact right there about a 7'4" 300lb guy.


I would'nt be upset if we picked him. I think there's better picks out there, but i think Edey can be a contributor on any team in the league if played correctly.
Posted by NOSHAU
Member since Feb 2012
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Posted on 5/30/24 at 2:15 pm to
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I'm really falling in love with Tyler Smith. 6'10.25 with a 7'1 wingspan with a 38" vert he and can really shoot it.
I think his skillset will lead him to rise in the draft into the 14-18 range. If he slips to 21, I would be fine with him.
Posted by Baron
Member since Dec 2014
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Posted on 5/30/24 at 2:46 pm to
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Ryan Dunn


Dunn is a guy I’ve been intrigued by for a bit now, but not sure I’d want to take him at 21.

No surprise we are working him out. He screams pelicans guy and he fits that Herb/Dyson mold. Wing over 6’6+ with a 7’1 wingspan. Can’t shoot a lick, but damn can that dude defend. I’m always in favor of taking guys like him and taking advantage of Vinson.


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Give me Missi, Ware or Tyler Smith and I'll be happy.

I'm really falling in love with Tyler Smith. 6'10.25 with a 7'1 wingspan with a 38" vert he and can really shoot it.


Missi can be a mess sometimes but man his flashes are so good. Apparently he shot really really well at workouts too, which makes his actual ceiling hard to fathom. He’s project that is absolutely work a risk.

I really want to like Ware, but all the rumblings about his effort level scares the heck out of me. He feels like he’s either going to be a solid starter or bust out, with no in between. He reminds me of Christian Wood, in that with his measurements, athleticism, and skills you wonder why he’s not consistently dominating. Something just isn’t clicking, but if it ever does, he has a chance to be really solid.

I’m not as high on Smith. He clearly is a decent shooter for his size, but G-league bigs always scare me. It’s just so hard to get a read on those guys because of the type of play in the g-league. I’ve seen a decent amount of Smith highlights and watched a little bit of his games and yet have no clue if he can do anything that we need other than shoot
This post was edited on 5/30/24 at 3:01 pm
Posted by Balsamic_duck
Member since Jun 2017
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Posted on 5/30/24 at 2:58 pm to
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Dunn is a guy I’ve been intrigued by for a bit now, but not sure I’d want to take him at 21.

No surprise we are working him out. He screams pelicans guy and he fits that Herb/Dyson mold. Wing over 6’6+ with a 7’1 wingspan. Can’t shoot a lick, but damn can that dude defend. I’m always in favor of taking guys like him and taking advantage of Vinson.


One of the best defenders I've ever seen at the college level. But man his offense is rough. Herb could handle and playmake at Bama and essentially played PG his senior year. Dunn cant handle whatsoever, nor pass.

I would take him in the 2nd though because if he ever learns how to shoot he instantly becomes a top tier 3&D guy
Posted by TeddyPadillac
Member since Dec 2010
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Posted on 5/30/24 at 3:04 pm to
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Can’t shoot a lick, but damn can that dude defend. I’m always in favor of taking guys like him and taking advantage of Vinson.



there's a difference between can't shoot a lick, and form looks workable and he's a good FT shooter.

Dunn can't shoot or dribble, and on top of that he's a 52% FT shooter through 2 years in college. I"m sorry but i dont understand how someone who plays basketball can be that shitty at shooting free throws. If i started shooting left handed, as a 40 year old right handed guy, i would shoot better than 50% after a week or two of practicing.
I'm not saying this guy's shot isn't salvagable, but it's highly unlikely he ever becomes a competent shooter. Hardest of hard no's for a guy like that. He is no where near the mold of Herb or Dyson.
I'm not sure why anyone would draft this guy in the 2nd round, much less the 1st. His offense is that bad.
Posted by Baron
Member since Dec 2014
1872 posts
Posted on 5/30/24 at 3:06 pm to
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Herb could handle and playmake at Bama and essentially played PG his senior year. Dunn cant handle whatsoever, nor pass.


Absolutely true, Herb showed feel for the game at Bama that Dunn has not.

However, Dunn is still young and I’m hoping that playing in an extremely structured offense like Virginia hid some of his offensive abilities. I do agree with you that I’d like him much more in the 30-40 range than at 21.
Posted by Baron
Member since Dec 2014
1872 posts
Posted on 5/30/24 at 3:17 pm to
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there's a difference between can't shoot a lick, and form looks workable and he's a good FT shooter.

Dunn can't shoot or dribble, and on top of that he's a 52% FT shooter through 2 years in college. I"m sorry but i dont understand how someone who plays basketball can be that shitty at shooting free throws. If i started shooting left handed, as a 40 year old right handed guy, i would shoot better than 50% after a week or two of practicing. I'm not saying this guy's shot isn't salvagable, but it's highly unlikely he ever becomes a competent shooter. Hardest of hard no's for a guy like that. He is no where near the mold of Herb or Dyson.


Dunn first two years in college FT %:
50%
53%

Herb’s first two years in college FT%:
50%
49%

Again, I’m not saying he IS Herb or Dyson, as I believe both players showed better feel on the offensive end than Dunn ever has, but he does fit the mold of rangy wing with offensive deficiencies, but profiles to be an extremely good defender.

I’ve maintained for years that the one advantage that the Pels have over other franchises is Vinson. I’m always for taking risks on guys whose swing-skill is shooting.

With that said, I’m not saying we take him at 21. Although I wouldn’t melt, I’d prefer a lot of guys over him. I’m just saying no one should be surprised we are taking a look at him.

Hopefully if we are truly interested in Dunn, it’s a trade-down scenario after the guys we want on the board are gone.
This post was edited on 5/30/24 at 3:20 pm
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