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re: Pels openly discussing trading Jrue

Posted on 11/9/20 at 11:59 am to
Posted by supe12sta12z
Tiger Town
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Posted on 11/9/20 at 11:59 am to
Like I said, there’s just no way Holiday is going to decline an extension. That’s way too much money to pass on. Holiday will never see that type of cash on the open market. He’s more likely to accept an extension and request a trade at some point than decline an extension and sign with someone in free agency.
Posted by Epic Cajun
Lafayette, LA
Member since Feb 2013
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Posted on 11/9/20 at 12:02 pm to
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Lol that’s why I was hesitant to post it. Maybe the Jrue info is right, but I cant see us taking Melo at all.
He's also convinced that the Hawks can trade Huerter + 6 for 2

ETA: he also doubled down and mentioned that the Pels are after Ball again today
This post was edited on 11/9/20 at 12:09 pm
Posted by Chalkywhite84
New orleans
Member since Dec 2016
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Posted on 11/9/20 at 12:03 pm to
I think a lot of that is true

I dont see lonzo as a true number 1 and this team isnt going anywhere until they get a true #1
Posted by TigerinATL
Member since Feb 2005
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Posted on 11/9/20 at 12:09 pm to
If you're the Pels and this is real they absolutely need to trade him and let someone else pay him the max.

If you're Jrue how can you turn down a max deal even if it means going to Minnesota?

Regarding the Lamelo speculation, is it better to take someone in this weak draft at #1, or take someone at 8 and get multiple future 1sts from the Knicks?
Posted by Epic Cajun
Lafayette, LA
Member since Feb 2013
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Posted on 11/9/20 at 12:12 pm to
quote:

If you're the Pels and this is real they absolutely need to trade him and let someone else pay him the max.

If you're Jrue how can you turn down a max deal even if it means going to Minnesota?


Did they mention that Jrue is getting a max extension? I missed that part if so, and we better stay the hell away from that
Posted by supe12sta12z
Tiger Town
Member since Apr 2012
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Posted on 11/9/20 at 12:13 pm to
If he’s the best player on their board, there’s really nothing to complain about. It’s more about the commitment to develop these young and flawed prospects. The Pelicans have a structure in place to develop him if they land the kid.
Posted by TeddyPadillac
Member since Dec 2010
30321 posts
Posted on 11/9/20 at 12:16 pm to
I want the early pick this year. I think there is plenty of really good talent in this draft, you just need to find them. I'd prefer to have 2 picks this year.
We have future firsts and we have future early 2nds to play around with.
What good is having 3 first round picks all in the late teens early 20's? Boston having 3 firsts this year is an actual problem for them as they don't have the roster spots for them. Moving 26/30 to 20 isn't some great move.

We need to add young talent right now, and we need to be developing that young talent right now. We can be young for another year or two at best, after that it's time to stop being young and be a perennial 50 win team.


And to be clear, i would prefer to have 2 first round picks every year, either to make the picks or to trade them.
We have 1 this year, 1 in 2021, 2 in 2022, 1 in 2023, and 2 in 2024or2025. I'm ok with adding a pick to 2021, but not at the expense of trading away #13 this year.
Posted by TeddyPadillac
Member since Dec 2010
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Posted on 11/9/20 at 12:18 pm to
quote:

Did they mention that Jrue is getting a max extension? I missed that part if so, and we better stay the hell away from that




It's been quoted twice now. here's the third time.

quote:

His extension could be nearing max range


the whole point of that article was saying how Minny and ATL want Jrue, but only if he signs an extension.
Posted by Epic Cajun
Lafayette, LA
Member since Feb 2013
37041 posts
Posted on 11/9/20 at 12:45 pm to
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the whole point of that article was saying how Minny and ATL want Jrue, but only if he signs an extension.
Yeah, I saw that, I just missed the part when they mentioned "near max"
Posted by TigerinATL
Member since Feb 2005
62446 posts
Posted on 11/9/20 at 12:49 pm to
A very important part. Also, this guy seems to at least be an MM level insider. I'm not saying it's dead on balls accurate, but if he's hearing it, other interested teams have heard it. And what they're hearing is Minnesota is discussing trading the #1 pick in the draft for Jrue. I realize it doesn't have as much value as in other years, but still it seems like that would boost the market for Jrue some.
This post was edited on 11/9/20 at 12:50 pm
Posted by NOSHAU
Member since Feb 2012
13726 posts
Posted on 11/9/20 at 1:24 pm to
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I think a lot of that is true

I dont see lonzo as a true number 1 and this team isnt going anywhere until they get a true #1

But is Lamelo that?
Posted by Epic Cajun
Lafayette, LA
Member since Feb 2013
37041 posts
Posted on 11/9/20 at 2:02 pm to
On Windhorst's new pod he opens talking about how he's heard that players that will be potentially traded have already had conversations with their new teams about extension numbers, then about 30 minutes into the pod he mentions that Jrue Holiday is eligible for extension. Lends credence to the rumors on the ATL board about extension numbers for Holiday have been discussed.
Posted by Fun Bunch
New Orleans
Member since May 2008
130190 posts
Posted on 11/9/20 at 2:07 pm to
I am quite sure that its pretty common for that to go on, and with such a weird shortened offseason, the increased value of vets on other teams, uncertain cap future, etc etc that it is being talked about a lot more.

The only way a team like Atlanta WOULD trade for Jrue and give up what they would need to is if he had an extension in hand.
Posted by Fun Bunch
New Orleans
Member since May 2008
130190 posts
Posted on 11/9/20 at 2:07 pm to
Could people live with a variation of:

6 + Reddish + Small piece
Jrue + 13

?
Posted by TeddyPadillac
Member since Dec 2010
30321 posts
Posted on 11/9/20 at 2:16 pm to
No.
I'm not trading Jrue with an extension for Reddish and the ability to move up 7 spots in the draft.
It's either Reddish and 6 and you're not getting 13, or you can have 13 and you give me your 21 1st. Could care less about the other small piece.


If Jrue is worth a near max extension, then he's worth more than Reddish and moving up in the draft a little bit. I think it's ludacris to think we would have to give up #13 with Jrue to get #6 and Reddish.
Posted by supe12sta12z
Tiger Town
Member since Apr 2012
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Posted on 11/9/20 at 2:21 pm to
4 additional years of service from Holiday should be worth a good bit.
Posted by Fun Bunch
New Orleans
Member since May 2008
130190 posts
Posted on 11/9/20 at 2:22 pm to
I agree I'm just throwing it out there. I think it would be very difficult to have ATL part with Reddish.
Posted by Bronc
Member since Sep 2018
12646 posts
Posted on 11/9/20 at 2:30 pm to
I could live with it, I wouldn't melt, but I would want more.

My big question with Reddish is whether what we saw in the last 20ish games is who the real Reddish will be(per 36 of 19ppg, 47% shooting, 40% from three, 83%FT) or that was a late-season mirage, like Wiggins or Solomon Hill have flashed?

As someone that didn't like Reddish coming out, his later-season play has me almost a believer. Guy hustles on D has good mechanics and it looked like things were clicking with him.
This post was edited on 11/9/20 at 2:31 pm
Posted by NOSHAU
Member since Feb 2012
13726 posts
Posted on 11/9/20 at 2:43 pm to
quote:

Could people live with a variation of:

6 + Reddish + Small piece
Jrue + 13

?

No. If they would not want to part with Reddish, I would push for Huerter, #6 and a future moderately protected 1st. Personally, I would push for Reddish (as long as Zion gave us a thumbs up that he would like to play with him again).
Posted by TeddyPadillac
Member since Dec 2010
30321 posts
Posted on 11/9/20 at 2:43 pm to
I think you're right. They want to keep Reddish.

They likely want to give us Dedmon too, and i don't want him at all. He requested a trade b/c he wasn't playing enough in Sacramento. I can't see him playing that much here either. He was terrible in Sac, and just as terrible in his short stint back in ATL. He's an average at best defender and i wouldn't count on him being some floor spacer. To me, he's a negative asset for us to take on.

I know Hunter was drafted ahead of Reddish, but i think everyone feels Reddish is the better future player.

If they insisted on keeping him, i'd be ok taking Hunter, but the picks need to be nicer.
Hunter + #6 + 21 1st + OKC 1-14 protected 2022 1st + Dedmon for Jrue and the two Cleveland 2nd's.
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